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So I've had a new XL750 w/ case feeder and MBF for about 2 weeks now... the only issue I'm having with it is that it's awesome but I'm pretty sure I should've just gotten a 1050/1100.

I'm new to reloading (after years of lurking) and I've probably been reloading for like 10 minutes compared to most of the guys around here, but I can already crank out around 800-1000rds per hour fairly comfortably... thing is, the priming-on-the-upstroke-thing is already getting on my nerves, as while I can get pretty good "feel" and mostly about 97% of my primers come out great, due to the differences in the brass I'm using there are a couple here and there that get faked up. Then there's the crimped/Mil brass... I've only come across 3-4 over about 3000rds loaded, but they've stopped my groove and shut me down enough to drop my load rate from 800-1000 to like 100-200 per hour while messing with them and resetting my decap, etc... Anyways, depending on what Dillon says, I think moving to the 1050/1100 now will be worth it to me because I'm pretty sure I'm going to end up there anyway.

 

Since I'm still within the 30-day return/exchange period with Dillon, unless I'm going to get totally beat up in shipping charges, I think I might call them and see about exchanging my XL750 + case feeder... but, I already know the RL1100 will be a 10-12 week wait, whereas the Super 1050's will ship much sooner (probably within a couple weeks). I'm hoping I can order either/or in "No Caliber - Small Primer" to save a few couple bucks and hopefully get it a hair sooner since I don't need dies, but not sure if I can get the S1050 that way.

 

Since they're listed at the same price, but the RL1100 is the "new model", should I wait for it..? Or should I just scratch the itch and get the S1050 more-or-less immediately..? I'll only be using the press for 9mm, is there really anything the RL1100 can do that the S1050 can't for me?

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I started with a 550 then 650 and now just received a week ago my RL1100 in .223 without dies. It would have taken less than a month if not for some problems on small parts. It took 5 weeks for me to receive it after its all said and done. I also bought an extra toolhead and 9mm conversion kit so I can reload 9mm in addition to processing and loading .223.

 

You can order the 1100 without dies to shorten the wait time. That’s less expensive and quicker since you don’t have to buy and wait for the dies. If you order it without dies, it will come with everything installed and setup for the caliber you’re buying without the dies.

 

I’m glad I ordered the 1100 instead of the 1050. Comparing to my friend’s S1050, the 1100 is a much better machine imo. I now have to decide if I’m going to sell the 550 or the 650.

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22 minutes ago, George16 said:

I started with a 550 then 650 and now just received a week ago my RL1100 in .223 without dies. It would have taken less than a month if not for some problems on small parts. It took 5 weeks for me to receive it after its all said and done. I also bought an extra toolhead and 9mm conversion kit so I can reload 9mm in addition to processing and loading .223.

 

You can order the 1100 without dies to shorten the wait time. That’s less expensive and quicker since you don’t have to buy and wait for the dies. If you order it without dies, it will come with everything installed and setup for the caliber you’re buying without the dies.

 

I’m glad I ordered the 1100 instead of the 1050. Comparing to my friend’s S1050, the 1100 is a much better machine imo. I now have to decide if I’m going to sell the 550 or the 650.

 

Awesome. Thanks for the info.

 

Think I'm going to see about getting the RL1100. It's funny, seems there's not a lot of info out there as far as details of why exactly the 1100>1050, but I do keep finding things popping up saying "it's better"...

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7 minutes ago, ck1 said:

 

Awesome. Thanks for the info.

 

Think I'm going to see about getting the RL1100. It's funny, seems there's not a lot of info out there as far as details of why exactly the 1100>1050, but I do keep finding things popping up saying "it's better"...

For one, the toolheads are better made on the 1100, the length of pull is shorter (having reloaded on my friend S1050) and way smoother. It also sturdier, stronger and a little bit heavier than the 1050.

 

Almost bought my friend’s S1050 and I’m ready glad I waited for the 1100. Like majority of new 1100 owners, I also removed the ratchet system since it’s getting in the way.

 

 

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2 hours ago, George16 said:

For one, the toolheads are better made on the 1100, the length of pull is shorter (having reloaded on my friend S1050) and way smoother. It also sturdier, stronger and a little bit heavier than the 1050.

 

Almost bought my friend’s S1050 and I’m ready glad I waited for the 1100. Like majority of new 1100 owners, I also removed the ratchet system since it’s getting in the way.

 

 

 

Thanks, it's surprising how little info there is out there with the differences between the two presses.

 

I just hope I can do the exchange fairly painlessly, and maybe get lucky and get the 1100 in 5 or so weeks like you did... maybe by then I'll actually have found some more primers lol!

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7 hours ago, ck1 said:

 

Thanks, it's surprising how little info there is out there with the differences between the two presses.

 

I just hope I can do the exchange fairly painlessly, and maybe get lucky and get the 1100 in 5 or so weeks like you did... maybe by then I'll actually have found some more primers lol!

Give them a call. I had great experience talking to the reps. They are very helpful and accommodating. The only thing not worth looking forward to is the long wait times. I got lucky by calling as soon as the open. I’m on the east coast so 10am here is their opening time of 7am in Arizona.

 

Good luck.

 

 

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I'm going to call them Monday and see if I can get the exchange worked out...

 

I'm really kind of pissed at myself that I just didn't go with the RL1100 in the first place, I definitely learned the "buy once, cry once" philosophy enough times to know better. Thing is, I searched and searched, read everything I could find,  talked to Dillon and tried to do everything I think I could do to try and get the right machine in the first place... but seems there's no substitute for first-hand experience. 

I guess I found out the hard way that while everything I read/learned was true, and the 750 is really plenty of machine for me when just looking at the volume I shoot, there are just certain variables that are hard to quantify: when you look at it "on paper" the dollar-to-performance of the 750 (especially with case feeder + Mr Bulletfeeder) is actually awesome, and I couldn't really figure out what spending the extra $$$ for the 1050/1100 would really get me in my case. Again, "on paper" it really only looks like the 1050/1100's only offer swaging and priming on the downstroke for that extra $1000. But, in-practice, and with a bit of first-hand experience, I now am looking at that equation differently and more as a "dollars-to-less hiccups/issues/annoyance" and now that extra money up front doesn't seem too bad considering this is a purchase I plan on holding onto and using for years.

Yeah, there are ways around the issues I've found: I could spend more time sorting my brass, or even go a step further and pre-process my brass before I load, I know a lot of guys do both, but I haven't been at this new "hobby" too long and I already know which aspects of the reloading process I enjoy versus which ones I don't: I like tinkering/setting up the machine to run and like running the machine and producing the ammo, but when it comes to the pre-process, collecting and cleaning the brass, that's not as fun and is about all the effort I want to put in.

 

So for me, as someone who wants reloading to be about as hassle-free as it can be, just scrounge brass, tumble it, then make ammo, I wish someone had told me that spending that extra money up front on the machine would go along way towards avoiding a lot of the drudgery... because when you look at it that way, $1000 bucks over however long I use the machine, 2 years, 5 years, 10(?) is nothing.

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Don’t feel bad about yourself for buying the 750 and now looking to buy the 1100. I’m in the same boat as you are. It’s definite buy once, cry once in this instance.

 

To make you feel better, I should have listened to my wife about buying the 1100 last year when it came out. She told me to buy what I really want. Instead of waiting for the 1100, I bought the 650. Oh well. Who wants to buy a 650 with case feeder and extra toolheads 😂 

 

If you’re a military veteran with service-connected disability, Dillon will give you a 10% discount on their products. That’s what they gave me when I bough my 1100 and additional toolheads/toolhead stands. I remember buying my 550 from Brian Enos immediately after retiring from the military when he was still a Dillon dealer. Great experience and customer service.

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1 hour ago, George16 said:

Don’t feel bad about yourself for buying the 750 and now looking to buy the 1100. I’m in the same boat as you are. It’s definite buy once, cry once in this instance.

 

To make you feel better, I should have listened to my wife about buying the 1100 last year when it came out. She told me to buy what I really want. Instead of waiting for the 1100, I bought the 650. Oh well. Who wants to buy a 650 with case feeder and extra toolheads 😂 

 

If you’re a military veteran with service-connected disability, Dillon will give you a 10% discount on their products. That’s what they gave me when I bough my 1100 and additional toolheads/toolhead stands. I remember buying my 550 from Brian Enos immediately after retiring from the military when he was still a Dillon dealer. Great experience and customer service.

 

I didn't know this.  I'll have to get that info added to my account.

 

 

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30 minutes ago, ExStreetWalker said:

 

I didn't know this.  I'll have to get that info added to my account.

 

 

You have to call them. They’ll send you an email address to send a picture of your VA ID. Once they received it, they’ll assign you a new account number. You’ll only get the discount by calling them to order. It doesn’t apply to online orders.

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On 7/25/2020 at 9:03 PM, ck1 said:

Then there's the crimped/Mil brass... I've only come across 3-4 over about 3000rds loaded, but they've stopped my groove and shut me down enough to drop my load rate from 800-1000 to like 100-200 per hour while messing with them and resetting my decap, et...

Are you sure the primers aren't just pulling back? This is a known issue with Dillon sizing dies. Kissing the decap pin with a Dremel or grinding wheel might solve most of your stoppage issues. There's a fair amount of discussion on this topic here.

 

IMO the only reason to get the S1050 is if you load for a BAR/Garand or some other 30-06 length semi-auto.

 

On 7/25/2020 at 9:37 PM, George16 said:

I now have to decide if I’m going to sell the 550 or the 650.

I sold a 550 once only to buy it again. Haven't been able to bring myself to sell a Dillon since. That said, the bench is getting a little crowded and the 650 would probably be the first to go because the 1050/550 combo is just too complimentary.

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1 hour ago, belus said:

Are you sure the primers aren't just pulling back? This is a known issue with Dillon sizing dies. Kissing the decap pin with a Dremel or grinding wheel might solve most of your stoppage issues. There's a fair amount of discussion on this topic here.

 

Nah, that's not my issue but thanks, I'm using a Lee standard sizing/decap... the die is doing exactly what it's supposed to, it's just a "normal" headache now and then.

 

- Here's the thing, or really my new issue: I spoke to Dillon CS this morning, and after years of reading/hearing about how great their customer service is supposed to be, I have to say I'm pretty unimpressed with how I was treated... the guy on the other end of the phone seemed completely uninterested in giving me his time and helping me out vey much... I wasn't left with the warm and fuzzies I've heard about lol.

 

First off, I encountered an unforeseen issue, as after I ordered my XL750 from Dillon's website, Dillon was a little wishy-washy and jerked me around a bit on how long it was going to take for my press to show up after having called them a few times to inquire: first it was "It should be 2 weeks" then it was "maybe 3-4 weeks" then it was "don't know...". So I ended up buying the press through Ben Stoeger Pro Shop (as I saw on Instagram that they had them in-stock at the time) and cancelling my order getting it directly from Dillon.

So according to the guy I spoke with at Dillon, they don't really do what amounts to an actual "exchange", they do a refund if you've had it less than 30 days and then you just purchase the different machine... Since I got the press from BSPS, as they're an "authorized Dillon dealer" they would honor the 30-day refund but I'd have to do it through them, then just order/buy the different machine. That's no big deal really, I understand the policy, just thought it'd be easier to do an "exchange" with Dillon because it's their product and all. What was a little annoying is that the guy at Dillon wouldn't/couldn't be specific about when an RL1100 would ship "IDK, could be 10-12 weeks, everything's on backorder" is the best he could do (which I totally get considering the times).

 

Anyways, now I have to contact BSPS and talk to them about doing a refund...

 

Which brings me to what could be my second problem: I had to get rid of the Dillon boxes/packaging (and it totally slipped my mind until I thought about it), as I was having contractors working on my house in the garage and it was in their way, this was in the first 3 days I had the press up and running and while I was in the "honeymoon period", so I didn't think twice about it. That could come back to bite me, I'll have to see...

 

Now that said, and depending on what BSPS can do or not do for me, I might just be stuck with the 750 (my own fault). But, if BSPS is ok with me still doing a return, even with non-original packaging... I think, due in a large part to how the CS guy at Dillon made me feel, I may just get say "screw Dillon" and get a Mark 7 Evo.........

 

Moral of the story: buy once, cry once, always lol.

 

 

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2 hours ago, belus said:

 

I sold a 550 once only to buy it again. Haven't been able to bring myself to sell a Dillon since. That said, the bench is getting a little crowded and the 650 would probably be the first to go because the 1050/550 combo is just too complimentary.

I think you’re right. I usually use the 550 for loading .308 and also for load development.

 

@ck1 incoming pm

 

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22 hours ago, George16 said:

If you’re a military veteran with service-connected disability, Dillon will give you a 10% discount on their products.

Wow, didn't know that.  will definitely have to call them and get it added to my account.

 

Right now I have a 550 with my plans being to have the 1100/550 combo but that Evo is very tempting and they have a military discount too.

 

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47 minutes ago, Intheshaw1 said:

Wow, didn't know that.  will definitely have to call them and get it added to my account.

 

Right now I have a 550 with my plans being to have the 1100/550 combo but that Evo is very tempting and they have a military discount too.

 

That’s true. Both Dillon and MK7 give a 10% military discount. MK7 only gives a discount on the machines, parts are excluded. Dillon gives the 10% discount on all their products.

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Well, Ben Stoeger Pro Shop got back to me, and after a little back and forth due to me throwing a wrench in the works by losing the original Dillon boxes/packaging, they're going to do a refund! I'm pretty sure the shipping cost to send it back is going to hurt a bit, but I guess that's my punishment for finding out the hard way that I didn't like the 750...

 

Now I've got to decide whether or not I want to backorder an RL1100 or just pony up the extra $$$ for an Evo..? Both/neither of those presses were in my original plan/budget originally so now I've got to do some homework and figure out which one to go with..?

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So, thanks for the input guys, but after ordering, and then canceling a Mark 7 Evo today... I think I'm just going to live with the 750 for a while.

 

After factoring in all the money I was going to eat on sending back the 750 (got quotes of $100+ to $150+), the extra cost bump of ~$1000 getting the Evo over an 1100 (which after starting to get into the weeds between the Evo/1100 isn't too tough to rationalize IMO), plus the added headache of tearing down one press and setting up another... just decided I can put up with a minor annoyance now and then with what I've got, and make a better and more informed decision down the road if/when I choose.

 

I can afford it, it's not the money, but sometimes "better the devil you know, then the devil you don't know" as they say. The issues here and there that I've discovered using the 750 for a short time don't really discount the fact that it can still pump out about a case or so of high quality ammo per hour, faster than I can shoot it up. Plus, the way things are now and the way things are looking politically in the country for the next 6 months or so, I might be better off just having a few unspent grand kicking around to snag components with when I'm lucky enough to find some...

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Just a little food for thought you can order the Mark7 now without the powder drop and the case feeder which brings their cost down quite a bit along with their shipping cost and  you could also sell your Dillon  XL750 without the case feeder and without the powder drop,  which brings your shipping cost way down and sell the XL750 without the case feeder and powder drop use those two on your new Mark7  and you’ll get the best of both worlds  just my two cents...

 

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31 minutes ago, tmz said:

Just a little food for thought you can order the Mark7 now without the powder drop and the case feeder which brings their cost down quite a bit along with their shipping cost and  you could also sell your Dillon  XL750 without the case feeder and without the powder drop,  which brings your shipping cost way down and sell the XL750 without the case feeder and powder drop use those two on your new Mark7  and you’ll get the best of both worlds  just my two cents...

 

 

That's awesome! Thanks.

 

I think after looking hard at the RL1100 vs Mark7 Evo, I really would have a hard time not just coming up with the extra cash for the Mark7... I actually just said this replying to another shooter I was talking with regarding the two presses: "seems to me that by the time you're at that price-point (of the RL1100, $2000), one has to ask themselves if they can afford NOT to come up with the extra cash for the Evo? I mean just the way the Mark7 is built oozes quality... all real metal, no cast junk, not a bunch of plastic... for me it was actually the powder measures that convinced me: the Dillon's being cast and clunky looks like "how can we save money and just use the cheap thing that already kinda works", whereas the Mark7's looks like someone put a little love into it like "this isn't just a powder measure, it's art" lol."

 

I also wasn't aware until a few minutes ago that Mark7 is going to be releasing a lower price-point semi-cast version of their press shortly in the future... that's probably another good reason for me to hold onto the 750 for now, because who knows? It could end up being the "goldilocks" press for me, and I may just end up holding onto the 750 for calibers I don't shoot as often as conversions are so reasonable for it.

 

I'll say this though, if there's one thing this little ordeal has shown me (besides buy once cry once lol), Dillon better stop resting on their laurels, because between my crappy experience with their customer service and what the other guys are offering (Mark7) it's almost like they're trying to convince guys to move on from them, I hadn't even considered a Mark7 when I started this thread...

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Mark7 is also supposed to be releasing a new primer system soon. An oscillating primer system that can be used on the Evo.

 

That's what I'm really waiting for to come out before I look to buy a bigger press.

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I have to pay more attention to these comparisons. I’m getting ready to replace my 550 and just assumed it would be with a RL1100.


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7 hours ago, Cuz said:

replace my 550

Supplement is probably a better word.

 

You'll regret getting rid of a 550 unless you only reload one caliber.

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8 hours ago, Cuz said:

I have to pay more attention to these comparisons. I’m getting ready to replace my 550 and just assumed it would be with a RL1100.

 

1 hour ago, belus said:

Supplement is probably a better word.

 

You'll regret getting rid of a 550 unless you only reload one caliber.

 

Yeah, unless you just don't have the space or something, holding onto that 550 for calibers you don't shoot as often isn't a bad idea. Seems once you go beyond the 650/750 range of presses, caliber conversions get really expensive: like as much or more than it costs to just have another decent press expensive...

 

As for comparisons though, I didn't really start this thread to end up comparing the $2000+ presses, I just didn't really see much difference between a 1050 and 1100...

 

That said, once things start to get a little expensive (and I guess I for one start considering presses that cost $1000+ starting to get a little expensive) it's plain to see there's a gap in the market for guys who want to spend between $1000-2000, but once you've resigned yourself to spending $2000, $2800 starts to not seem like such a reach... especially if that extra $800 seemingly buys you "twice the machine".

 

Idk, but if the new lower price-point Mark7 press that's supposed to come out is in that $1000-2000 gap in the market that exists, they're probably going to sell a whole bunch of them, and/or if it lines up with Dillon's 1050/1100 at around $2000 and still offers more (extra stations, less cast/plastic, plug-and-play automation, etc), I think "Team Blue" isn't going to be real happy.

 

I for one hadn't really looked hard at Mark7 because I'd looked at them briefly in the past and had just put them in my mind as "too expensive"... But once I had my credit card in-hand, about to order an RL1100, and started looking at their Evolution for $2800, comparing the two... honestly it's probably the Dillon that's way overpriced really, it's the one that has some explaining to do, the Evo's price starts to seem pretty fair, maybe low actually. JMHO.

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The other consideration is if you plan to automate. I really like the Evo as I'd love to automate in the future and having the extra stations would be nice.

 

But scope creep is really bad with me and reloading. Wanted a 650 but quickly realized with help here that a550/1100 combo is what I needed. So ended up finding a used 550 so that was my first press. Then watching all the 1100 delays got me looking at the Evo. But then it's, hey let's automate one. And then it's, dang those Revos look nice.....

 

So I'll stick with my 550 for a while. When I bought it last December ammo was still cheap so I figured it would take a long time to pay it off with 'savings' from reloading but now ammo costs a lot more so the break even is coming even sooner.

 

I'll probably end up with an Evo unless I find a good deal on a used 1050.

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