glen455 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Shadow 2 insert loaded mag on an open slide from firing then slide goes forward into battery sometimes. Does not seem to happen with empty mag at home I tried moving slide release down a bit before inserting empty mag. I now have some some snap caps so will give that a try. Maybe it is because I am using lower recoil spring? Too much oil on parts? Berry 124 rn 3.8 grain win 231 light and easy target loads. Also is it normal that my brass ejects directly to the right of me ? Its about 6-8 feet. 90 to 110 degrees thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouperMan Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 37 minutes ago, glen455 said: Shadow 2 insert loaded mag on an open slide from firing then slide goes forward into battery sometimes. Does not seem to happen with empty mag at home I tried moving slide release down a bit before inserting empty mag. I now have some some snap caps so will give that a try. Maybe it is because I am using lower recoil spring? Too much oil on parts? Berry 124 rn 3.8 grain win 231 light and easy target loads. Also is it normal that my brass ejects directly to the right of me ? Its about 6-8 feet. 90 to 110 degrees thanks The "Auto-Forward" feature is not a guaranteed function, but it's a nice thing to have. I believe it has to do with houw the slide stop interacts with a loaded mag versus a empty mag on insertion. It doesn't take a lot of force to insert the mag to have the slide into battery; I mean if you baby handle the reload it won't go into battery. As for the ejection of brass, as long as it's not dribbling out and not clearing or stovepiping, you are ok. Based on your description, your gun is ejecting brass OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slavex Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Auto forward is totally normal, it's physics. Insert mag hard enough to move gun, gun moves compresses recoil spring, slide tries to stay in place (physics) spring is compressed enough that slide stop can release, then spring sends slide forward. Can happen on almost any gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamge Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 It's a feature, not a bug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hansb57 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 It only does this if you slam the magazine in with excersive force and then not even always. This is certainly not a feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmc1977 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 If you could build this feature into a gun, and have it work reliably, you would have one hell of a sales feature and competition shooters would stand in line with their money to have the feature added to their gun...I know I would. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slavex Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 you don't need to use a lot of force with most guns, most especially after they are broken in. You just need to hold the gun right to do it. when the mag goes in the needs to be held so that the motion of the mag coming to stop moves the frame up and forward, so that the slide attempts to stay in it's location, compressing the recoil spring as it tries to do this, this allows the slidestop spring to drop the slidestop, and when the motion of the frame stops, the recoil spring sends the slide forward. simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eli_a Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 On 7/14/2020 at 11:31 PM, usmc1977 said: If you could build this feature into a gun, and have it work reliably, you would have one hell of a sales feature and competition shooters would stand in line with their money to have the feature added to their gun...I know I would. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Not many comp guys want to go to slide lock lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hansb57 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 The S2 was designed with IPSC production in mind. One in the chamber, hammer down, DA first shot, reload before you are out. The are also people who claim Cz magazines are junk because if you slam them in, the bottom falls out. But then again, I dont use my guns as jack stand either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1A4ME Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 CZ mags are made by Mecgar for CZ. Mecgar makes mags. for so many other handgun manufacturers that they are "everywhere." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Somewhere there is a thread where Memphismechanic tweaked a gun for consistent and reliable auto forward. As I recall it was a Tanfo but the principals should be the same. For a right handed shooter (easy to hit slide release) the auto forward makes things look faster but did not aid my shot to shot time. If you have to go through any gyrations, slam mag - hold the gun a certain way, that interfere with a smooth reload it is likely slower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stafford Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 The old M&P’s used to auto forward, the 2.0’s are made not to do that. For competition where you go to slide lock (IDPA), it’s a good feature. If you shoot a lot of make-up shots in Production, Limited 10, SS, and always reload on the move, it’s a good feature for USPSA. I saw a guy shooting Production last night who regulary shot make-ups, went to slide lock, and reloaded on the move, Didn’t seem to hurt his time or accuracy. I know of one defensive/tactical instructor who always recommends an over the top slingshot for every reload after slidelock, even if the pistol autoforwards. His reasoning is that you can’t guarantee that the auto forward chambered a round. So, even if the slide goes forward, he automatically racks over the top, almost always ejecting a chambered round. He wants the muscle memory of the over the top slingshot to be ingrained every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FALAR Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 My Berettas used to autoforward very easily. Some consider it a feature, others don't. After doing an overinsertion that locked up the gun I'd rather have a magazine that didn't want to cause an auto-forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9X19mm Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 None of my Shadow 2s Blue/Orange do this. Something might be up with the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 This is the edge of the slide stop which locks into a corresponding notch on the slide to hold the slide open, due to manufacturing tolerance stacking some slides are more likely to release than others when a mag is slammed home. If you want that feature, gently file the corner of the slide stop, but remember: there's a very fine line between a slide which closes when you insert a mag and a slide which won't stay locked open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KlausN Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 This “feature” is one of the reasons I really like my SP01 shadow. It works every time without fail, at least with my gun. My M&P 1.0 did it consistently too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 On 7/17/2020 at 10:06 AM, Stafford said: For competition where you go to slide lock (IDPA), it’s a good feature. If you shoot a lot of make-up shots in Production, Limited 10, SS, and always reload on the move, it’s a good feature for USPSA I'd recommend timing yourself, shot on target - reload - shot on target. When the slide goes forward immediately, instead on as you are getting your grip it looks fast, for me it was not any faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waltz Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 My question is when I pull my slide back on my CZ-Shadow 2 (Orange). The slide just locks up like I just emptied the mag. The magazine is empty when I've tried to do it. I haven't been to the range yet. Is it because the mad is empty. Will it go forward automatically if the magazine is full. ? Moreover; what do I need to do to the gun so I can mount a suppressor on it ? . What should be my next gun. I have an AR-15 , a semi automatic shotgun. And two 9 mm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertg5322 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 On 7/16/2020 at 4:37 PM, Eli_a said: Not many comp guys want to go to slide lock lol No, but when we do, it's nice to have the auto forward feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertg5322 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 On 7/20/2020 at 5:29 AM, IHAVEGAS said: I'd recommend timing yourself, shot on target - reload - shot on target. When the slide goes forward immediately, instead on as you are getting your grip it looks fast, for me it was not any faster. Betting it wasn't any slower either. If this is the case, there's no negative to having the slide auto-forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 13 minutes ago, robertg5322 said: Betting it wasn't any slower either. If this is the case, there's no negative to having the slide auto-forward. No disagreement, and it does look cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertg5322 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 1 hour ago, IHAVEGAS said: No disagreement, and it does look cool. Hard to put a price on looking cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 5 hours ago, robertg5322 said: Betting it wasn't any slower either. If this is the case, there's no negative to having the slide auto-forward. unless it sometimes fails to lock back...... I don't pay much attention to lockback tho unless I'm shooting SS. Limited gun doesn't lock back, and who knows if my CO gun locks back or not... I've never shot it to empty, and probably never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertg5322 Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 10 minutes ago, motosapiens said: unless it sometimes fails to lock back...... I don't pay much attention to lockback tho unless I'm shooting SS. Limited gun doesn't lock back, and who knows if my CO gun locks back or not... I've never shot it to empty, and probably never will. I've blown too many stages to remember, so I know which guns lock back, which guns auto-forward, and which guns jam at the least convenient times... Practice is probably my best, but least seen friend, hopefully since I recently retired me and him can get reacquainted... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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