OpenshooterMclass4lyfe Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 The way the rules change on a whim in uspsa I wouldn’t be surprised if they did allow them at some point. In the grand scheme of uspsa it won’t make a difference competition wise but it will make the CO division turn into even more of a weapons race and people will spend a ton of money because they feel like they need a 2011 to be competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddc Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 13 minutes ago, OpenshooterAclass4lyfe said: The way the rules change on a whim in uspsa I wouldn’t be surprised if they did allow them at some point. In the grand scheme of uspsa it won’t make a difference competition wise but it will make the CO division turn into even more of a weapons race and people will spend a ton of money because they feel like they need a 2011 to be competitive. Then the next thing will be to allow 2011's in Production. Then we might as well change the name to United States Single Action Shooting Association, USSASA. U-Sass-A, kind rolls right off your tongue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenshooterMclass4lyfe Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, ddc said: Then the next thing will be to allow 2011's in Production. Then we might as well change the name to United States Single Action Shooting Association, USSASA. U-Sass-A, kind rolls right off your tongue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Chimpo Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 19 hours ago, OpenshooterAclass4lyfe said: people will spend a ton of money because they feel like they need a 2011 to be competitive. I bet they'll be pissed when they get rekt by a guy with a $600 plastic pistol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenshooterMclass4lyfe Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 16 minutes ago, Johnny_Chimpo said: I bet they'll be pissed when they get rekt by a guy with a $600 plastic pistol Oh I’m sure they will be. But it won’t stop them from trying to purchase skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 21 minutes ago, Johnny_Chimpo said: I bet they'll be pissed when they get rekt by a guy with a $600 plastic pistol This is completely unpossible, I've read you have to have a heavy gun to be competitive with a light on it. This must be some photoshop and that guy's actually using a 50 Oz 2011. Glocks are in no way competitive in 2022, especially without a flashlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obsessiveshooter Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Everyone seems to agree that a 2011 won't change anything. If that's true, then just allow them. "Gun people", of all people, ought to believe in the principle of removing pointless restrictions and maximizing personal freedom. If you know enough to know you can't buy skill, then you won't try to. But who are we to prevent someone else from trying? Maybe some will buy a 2011 for carry optics because its their money, and they just want a nice pistol to compete with. If CO ended up with lots of people shooting 2011s, is that a problem? These would be USPSA members shooting what they wanted to shoot. Its condescending to say that they'll have bought them because "they felt like they had to". People "have to" shoot Major PF in limited and open to be competitive. We all agree this is nothing like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenshooterMclass4lyfe Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 42 minutes ago, obsessiveshooter said: Everyone seems to agree that a 2011 won't change anything. If that's true, then just allow them. "Gun people", of all people, ought to believe in the principle of removing pointless restrictions and maximizing personal freedom. If you know enough to know you can't buy skill, then you won't try to. But who are we to prevent someone else from trying? Maybe some will buy a 2011 for carry optics because its their money, and they just want a nice pistol to compete with. If CO ended up with lots of people shooting 2011s, is that a problem? These would be USPSA members shooting what they wanted to shoot. Its condescending to say that they'll have bought them because "they felt like they had to". People "have to" shoot Major PF in limited and open to be competitive. We all agree this is nothing like that. The only people I’ve really seen screaming about wanting it to change are sponsored shooters for 2011 manufacturers. Membership wide voting for the rule to change would be a great way to go about it. If the majority want it then sure why not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superkaratemonkeyfighter Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 CO is booming ! so a rule change such as this won’t help CO it will only thin out other divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obsessiveshooter Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Superkaratemonkeyfighter said: CO is booming ! so a rule change such as this won’t help CO it will only thin out other divisions. Other divisions' participation numbers shouldn't be protected by handicapping CO with equipment restrictions that don't accomplish anything. We all compete for fun. If someone is going to have more fun with a 2011 in CO, and if its true that it isn't an advantage, then why the heck not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 1 hour ago, obsessiveshooter said: {snip} ...and if its true that it isn't an advantage, {/snip} I don't think that's universally agreed upon yet. If this had been brought this up with our now-previous Prez he might have become a champion for yet another new division. Not likely to happen in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 On 4/19/2022 at 3:27 PM, obsessiveshooter said: Other divisions' participation numbers shouldn't be protected by handicapping CO with equipment restrictions that don't accomplish anything. We all compete for fun. If someone is going to have more fun with a 2011 in CO, and if its true that it isn't an advantage, then why the heck not? co’s equipment restrictions do accomplish something imho. they allow people to compete with genuinely practical carry/defense guns with very minimal mods. the main reason im against allowing sa guns in co is to give the finger to a few semicustom mfrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinister4 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 just fold production into CO allow any sights and the current CO mag rule, allow a magwell and a reasonable weight limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanb Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 12 hours ago, motosapiens said: co’s equipment restrictions do accomplish something imho. they allow people to compete with genuinely practical carry/defense guns with very minimal mods. the main reason im against allowing sa guns in co is to give the finger to a few semicustom mfrs. You mean the same ones that are pushing for this and want this to happen so they can sell more guns and not have to repair them as frequently because of minor ammo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenshooterMclass4lyfe Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, Nathanb said: You mean the same ones that are pushing for this and want this to happen so they can sell more guns and not have to repair them as frequently because of minor ammo The same ones that are trying to get power factor lowered too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balakay Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 3 hours ago, OpenshooterAclass4lyfe said: The same ones that are trying to get power factor lowered too The same one who made the gun you're unloading? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenshooterMclass4lyfe Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Balakay said: The same one who made the gun you're unloading? That would be them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanb Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 That was a fantastic combination of airing someone out without actually airing them out. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Chimpo Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 Is this still available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Chimpo Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 23 hours ago, Sinister4 said: just fold production into CO allow any sights and the current CO mag rule, allow a magwell and a reasonable weight limit. What's with some people and magwells? Train harder if you can't find the hole without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 Magwells are more about enhancing the grip than helping with the reload in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Chimpo Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 1 hour ago, RangerTrace said: Magwells are more about enhancing the grip than helping with the reload in my opinion. If that's the case, my point is still the same. If someone needs a magwell to have an effective grip on a 9 mm service pistol (or a heavy-ass version of it) then maybe they need to learn how to actually grip a pistol and grow some man-hand strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 3 hours ago, Johnny_Chimpo said: If that's the case, my point is still the same. If someone needs a magwell to have an effective grip on a 9 mm service pistol (or a heavy-ass version of it) then maybe they need to learn how to actually grip a pistol and grow some man-hand strength. I don't disagree. But if you try a 2011 with a big mouth mag well vs. and IDPA legal mag well, you will see what I'm talking about. The additional leverage you get with your weakhand pinky is substantial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinister4 Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, RangerTrace said: Yup and with big hands it helps for sure Edited April 24, 2022 by Sinister4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakerjd Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 On 4/23/2022 at 4:26 PM, Nathanb said: That was a fantastic combination of airing someone out without actually airing them out. Lol It sure was. But only if you know what one guys selling..... or take the couple seconds to look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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