Rasmilling Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 I am on the market for a open gun, to be used in Steel Challenge and IPSC. My plan is to run minor ammunition (no need for major in Steel Challenge, and i dont want to be running different loads). I got my eyes on a new SPS Vista Short or an used STI Steel Master. They are around the same price, 25.000DKK ~ 3.600 USD. Which is also my limit. But i am not sure if i should go for a new (and cheaper) gun or a used (but better quality) gun. What are you guys thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hump Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 I have been running a Vista Short with both major and minor loads for more than a year. I changed the extractor, ejector and firing pin and have shot 8-10k rounds with very few issues. I ran some 130pf loads thru it today to check POI before a 3 gun match this weekend. When I shoot USPSA I run 170pf JHP's. The gun is still very tight and smooth. I put a Holosun 510C with an Atlas mount and it has been rock solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmilling Posted May 27, 2020 Author Share Posted May 27, 2020 12 hours ago, hump said: I have been running a Vista Short with both major and minor loads for more than a year. I changed the extractor, ejector and firing pin and have shot 8-10k rounds with very few issues. I ran some 130pf loads thru it today to check POI before a 3 gun match this weekend. When I shoot USPSA I run 170pf JHP's. The gun is still very tight and smooth. I put a Holosun 510C with an Atlas mount and it has been rock solid. How many rounds have you got trough it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSHMJ Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 For just a little more you can go brand new with one of these. You may be able to find a decently priced used one also. https://staccato2011.com/2020-product-lineup/staccato-xc/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximis228 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, NOSHMJ said: For just a little more you can go brand new with one of these. You may be able to find a decently priced used one also. https://staccato2011.com/2020-product-lineup/staccato-xc/ why support a brand who turned their backs on the competitive community? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSHMJ Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 It would be better than buying a used product from the same company, for just a little more at least you get new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echotango Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 35 minutes ago, NOSHMJ said: For just a little more you can go brand new with one of these. You may be able to find a decently priced used one also. https://staccato2011.com/2020-product-lineup/staccato-xc/ More than double of a used steelmaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSHMJ Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 iIf he were to be willing to spend $3600 on a steel master, why not go new on one of those? It is sad to see STI sell out to the John Wick kids, but that particular gun may suit his needs. The next alternative it an Atlas for $6200. Def not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSHMJ Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 https://atlasgunworks.com/product/atlas-gunworks-erebus/#iLightbox[product-gallery]/0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echotango Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 18 minutes ago, NOSHMJ said: iIf he were to be willing to spend $3600 on a steel master, why not go new on one of those? It is sad to see STI sell out to the John Wick kids, but that particular gun may suit his needs. The next alternative it an Atlas for $6200. Def not worth it. It is because he is in Denmark. the $4300 stuccato will prob be $7000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kema Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Well STI warranty is next to nothing overseas. I have matchmaster and dvc open with broken slides and they dont even answer me. Don't get me even started with staccato lineup... Check http://www.gunmaker.de/e-index.html Maybe even BUL or SPS. CZ is also on option if using minor ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvmojo Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 For what it's worth, I bought a used Steel Master and have put close to 20K rounds through it. Very happy with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, NOSHMJ said: For just a little more you can go brand new with one of these. The old one has a chance in hell of running, and may have been built back when STI made their name on decent quality guns. I’d wager 3 new guns out of 4 go back to the mothership for warranty work within 6 months, and none of them will probably live to 50k rounds without replacing a major part. If your local range has a few guys who’ve bought DVCs or Staccatos, you’ve seen the same thing. I’m sure other can back me up. Edited May 27, 2020 by MemphisMechanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmilling Posted May 27, 2020 Author Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 hour ago, echotango said: It is because he is in Denmark. the $4300 stuccato will prob be $7000. Close they are around 6.800 USD around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmilling Posted May 27, 2020 Author Share Posted May 27, 2020 So... STI isnt any better than the SPS? How are your thoughts on a Bul SAS II Shorty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillywig Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 55 minutes ago, Rasmilling said: So... STI isnt any better than the SPS? How are your thoughts on a Bul SAS II Shorty? I checked out the web page for info on the SPS. Says it has life time service contract for the original owner. That sounds good! It also say uses ammo 160+PF so might what to confirm it would work with a different recoil spring for minor ammo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbdyspl Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 I know a few people that shoot the sps vista and they love it. I would vote for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngodwetrust21 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 What is STI?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hump Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Chillywig said: I checked out the web page for info on the SPS. Says it has life time service contract for the original owner. That sounds good! It also say uses ammo 160+PF so might what to confirm it would work with a different recoil spring for minor ammo I run the same spring in my SPS for 170pf and 135pf ammo. The ejection is weaker but function is 100%. I use a 9lb spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hump Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 8 hours ago, Rasmilling said: How many rounds have you got trough it? 8-10k rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duffdawg Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 the vista are great guns mines in 38 super have about 5k on it atm haven't had any problems so far super tight and mine is fitted right doesn't locked up on the link or any of that stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvmojo Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Surprised to see they advertise the SPS Vista as "specifically designed for.... IDPA". Haven't shot IDPA in a while but didn't realize they have an open division... https://spspistols.eagleimportsinc.com/spspistols/firearms/sps-vista-short Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mlussoro Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 9 hours ago, NOSHMJ said: iIf he were to be willing to spend $3600 on a steel master, why not go new on one of those? It is sad to see STI sell out to the John Wick kids, but that particular gun may suit his needs. The next alternative it an Atlas for $6200. Def not worth it. I have an atlas for sale 5200 with 4 mags holster belt and pouches. How bout dat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim vaughan Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Price is not the major factor here - it is availability of spares. Deal with a company that does not have to cope with restrictive Government Departments. As you are in Europe I suggest that you would get spares from Spain far easier than from the USA. If this is not the case then you have some serious problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmilling Posted May 29, 2020 Author Share Posted May 29, 2020 I just ordered the SPS Vista today. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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