ABarrow Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Local outlaw match, pistol is loaded and holstered on safe, shotgun loaded to division capacity on safe at low ready. All knockdown steel is to be engaged with birdshot, all paper and poppers to be engaged with pistol.Two poppers activate two swingers. After shooting all knockdowns, shooter engages poppers with shotgun before ditching it, activating swingers, then engages paper with pistol finishing with the almost stopped at this point swingers. Procedural? If so how many? FTE's? For poppers or poppers and paper as well? Just curious as to how most would score this at a just for fun local. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziebart Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 If the poppers were supposed to be engaged with pistol and were not, then 2 FTE. They still shot the paper with pistol so score as shot otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHI Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) two Procedurals all targets were engaged all targets were hit Edited March 19, 2020 by AHI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Depends on the rules set. Under USPSA and IMA-SMM3G rules, it would be two FTE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABarrow Posted March 19, 2020 Author Share Posted March 19, 2020 No crystal clear ruleset, more USPSAish with certain parts of other rulesets. I was thinking 2 FTE's as well. Question i still have is if swingers are not visible before being activated and technically the activators were not engaged, wouldn't the swingers be FTE's as well. No right or wrong answers, just having a fun debate with a buddy and wanted to see how others would score this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 you cant have a ruling without a ruleset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmc1974 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 It's really hard to say without the rules set but if all Targets was engaged then they couldn't be no FTE. It would more less be a failure to do right procedural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emjbe Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 you could adopt this rule into your outlaw ruleset: USPSA Rule 9.5.2.8 In a Multigun match any hit(s) upon the scoring surface of a scoring paper target which can be determined to have been fired from the incorrect firearm for that target shall not be scored and, unless there are scoring hit(s) from the correct firearm, it will be scored as an unengaged target. In the case of steel or frangible targets any hits by the non-specified firearm which result in that target being unavailable for further engagement, the target shall be scored as an unengaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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