ajblack Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 30 minutes ago, motosapiens said: doesn't look like they removed it, just made it harder to find. Perhaps their original intent with the associate membership was for multiple-member households so only 1 copy of the magazine would be sent. Yes, just click "Interested in other membership types" and then select Household. You will find the regular $25.00 membership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 And remember if you are in the senior category you can email for info on discounted senior life membership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egd5 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, motosapiens said: meh. it's free-market capitalism. If you shoot regularly, uspsa gets FAR more of your money from entry fees. If there are people that care about whether you are a member or not, it's only because they are either bad at math, or confusing USPSA's business model with the very different (and dumb) IDPA model. It's not about the money for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glockster1 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, egd5 said: I think that is the ethical thing to do. They provide a set of rules and structure to the game we enjoy. Everyone has their own set of "values and sense of fairness". Mine says if I partake of something I should support it. I try to help set-up at matches even when it's not my club. I want to be considered as more than just a taker who doesn't give back. YMMV That's your prerogative. "values and fairness" can be interpreted differently by different people. Mine says I don't or shouldn't pay for USPSA membership. You can "give back" to the sport by doing what I do in leu of a USPSA membership. I pay a TON of money to clubs in match fee$ that are U$P$A sanctioned, which means MY match fee $$$ PAY U$P$A. AND I always help setup and teardown at all the matches. I'm also monetarily supporting every shooting club I frequent by paying a club annual membership fee. I contribute Big Time to the money machine that is U$P$A and beyond. Edited March 9, 2020 by Glockster1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHicks Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Good! NRA member? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, egd5 said: It's not about the money for everyone. what's it about? I personally pay for uspsa membership because it's worth what I get out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glockster1 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 3 hours ago, Thomas H said: Registering with a higher classification won't mean anything, because the stats person should be running a classification update prior to finalizing the results, and if you don't have a member number, you'll be listed as "U" class. If you aren't a member, you don't have a classification. @Glockster1, you said this: "Of course, if you enjoy having them disclosing all your personal information for the entire world to see on SCSA" Can you explain that? Where does this happen? What personal information is available? I actually won't join USPSA primarily for one reason: SCSA and USPSA are two different entities owned by USPSA. They both have TWO completely different websites. You can make your USPSA account info private (USPSA events only) from being publicized within your USPSA account. However, if you shoot at least ONE USPSA sanctioned SCSA steel challenge match, THEY will automatically, without your consent, (without you even knowing) create a cyberspace SCSA USPSA controlled account in your publicized USPSA member name. Within THAT account (which you have NO control over) THEY will publicize all your types of firearms you compete with, your name, your basic location, your member number, your shooting level/abilities/skill-set level (in class), every shooting match you attend, including dates, times and exact locations. And ALL of that is PUBLIC information for anyone anywhere in the world to view/use, to STALK you, know your regular where-a-bouts and save-to-file, which may be used for or against you by some one or some government agency in the future. USPSA does not care about the privacy of its members on the SCSA side. Them publicizing your personal information actually helps their Google rankings and search SEO. Their website interaction features would be literally useless and not profitable if they allowed you to block all your personal info from being publicized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glockster1 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, MHicks said: Good! NRA member? YES! I am a LIFE NRA member and proud of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egd5 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 That's how it should be, no disagreement there. I think anyone who thinks enough of an organizations activities to participate a lot should support them. 15 minutes ago, motosapiens said: what's it about? I personally pay for uspsa membership because it's worth what I get out of it. As I was typing Glockster's reply came through about scsa and publishing info. That does put things in a different light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Glockster1 said: However, if you shoot at least ONE USPSA sanctioned SCSA steel challenge match, THEY will automatically, without your consent, (without you even knowing) create a cyberspace SCSA USPSA controlled account in your publicized USPSA member name. Within THAT account (which you have NO control over) THEY will publicize all your types of firearms you compete with, your name, your basic location, your member number, your shooting level/abilities/skill-set level (in class), every shooting match you attend, including dates, times and exact locations. And ALL of that is PUBLIC information for anyone anywhere in the world to view/use, to STALK you, know your regular where-a-bouts and save-to-file, which may be used for or against you by some one or some government agency in the future. most good competitive shooters (and lots of bad ones too, lol) are already publicizing all that information themselves, on facebook, instagram, word-of-mouth to all their friends at work, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glockster1 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, motosapiens said: most good competitive shooters (and lots of bad ones too, lol) are already publicizing all that information themselves, on facebook, instagram, word-of-mouth to all their friends at work, etc... Yes, they do. If you are the type to use Facebook and Twitter, and you don't care about publicizing that stuff and all your personal info for the world to see, then good for you. You shouldn't have any problem being a USPSA member either. That's not something I'm interested in. Edited March 9, 2020 by Glockster1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Glockster1 said: Yes, they do. If you are the type to use Facebook and Twitter, and you don't care about publicizing that stuff and all your personal info for the world to see, then good for you. You shouldn't have any problem being a USPSA member either. That's not something I'm interested in. I'm not really looking that hard, but I'm not seeing all that information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, Glockster1 said: Yes, they do. If you are the type to use Facebook and Twitter, and you don't care about publicizing that stuff and all your personal info for the world to see, then good for you. You shouldn't have any problem being a USPSA member either. correct, I don't have any problem being a USPSA member. But I also work in the law enforcment biz and own property, so most of my personal information is already easily available to anyone who cares. Fortunately most people only use the internet to find funny dog videos or porn. Do you enter matches under a false name? It appears to me that essentially the same info is contained in your match results, although it may require a few extra keystrokes to consolidate it. Either way, I don't care, and I also don't care that you *do* care. Everyone can be happy with their own choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IVC Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 On 3/9/2020 at 12:22 PM, Glockster1 said: THEY will publicize all your types of firearms you compete with, your name, your basic location, your member number, your shooting level/abilities/skill-set level (in class), every shooting match you attend, including dates, times and exact locations. And ALL of that is PUBLIC information for anyone anywhere in the world to view/use, to STALK you, know your regular where-a-bouts and save-to-file, which may be used for or against you by some one or some government agency in the future. That's why I stopped using Internet years ago - nobody will ever know where my bunker is... While treatment of private information is indeed a legitimate concern and it is wrong if it's made public without consent, anything you do online, including posting on this forum is either public or should be treated as public. What you want to hide, e.g., a dead hooker in your trunk, you simply cannot post anywhere. That's just the nature of the times we live in. And, if you believe that some government or ethical consideration will prevent your information from becoming public, intentionally or inadvertently, you're not doing it right - government privacy law to protect you against government intrusion... Hmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Nothing says you have to use your real name when you sign up for USPSA or register for matches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IVC Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 On 3/9/2020 at 12:36 PM, Glockster1 said: That's not something I'm interested in. Yet clicking on your avatar and looking at your post history tells me what kind of bullets and guns you use... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IVC Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 minute ago, waktasz said: Nothing says you have to use your real name when you sign up for USPSA or register for matches Wait, you're telling me those SASS names aren't real either?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 58 minutes ago, waktasz said: Nothing says you have to use your real name when you sign up for USPSA or register for matches They call me, Tater Salad . . . . (Jubilation T. Cornpone didn't fit on the kindle) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malarky112 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Has anyone ever complained to USPSA about the lack of privacy? Maybe if everyone asked them to make it private they would? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 16 minutes ago, Malarky112 said: Has anyone ever complained to USPSA about the lack of privacy? Maybe if everyone asked them to make it private they would? when I win a match, I want everyone to know. I post it on facebook, tell all my friends at work, email my mom, etc..... If you want it private, just sign up under a fake name. Pick a really scary hard-to-pronounce fake name, like 'oosthuisen' or something.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrackCage Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 42 minutes ago, motosapiens said: when I win a match, I want everyone to know. I post it on facebook, tell all my friends at work, email my mom, etc..... If you want it private, just sign up under a fake name. Pick a really scary hard-to-pronounce fake name, like 'oosthuisen' or something.. I was gonna go with Mark Weaver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, TrackCage said: I was gonna go with Mark Weaver maybe you can help bump up my classification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glockster1 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 On 3/10/2020 at 4:33 PM, IVC said: Wait, you're telling me those SASS names aren't real either?? You wanna know an interesting fact? Nowhere in the USPSA rules does it say you have to use your real name. But if you tell USPSA headquarters you're using a fake name, they will deny you membership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 I signed up for a club match as Hugh Jass once. The stats guy figured me out and changed it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Glockster1 said: You wanna know an interesting fact? Nowhere in the USPSA rules does it say you have to use your real name. But if you tell USPSA headquarters you're using a fake name, they will deny you membership. Did that happen to you, or is that anecdotal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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