mchapman Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 I'm sure that it has been mentioned but I don't recall there being any talk of raising the membership dues has there? What I am seeing when trying to renew there is no longer an associate membership available to get if you do not want to get the magazine. It used to be $40 and the Mag. or $25 and no mag. I would just as soon not get the self promoting/backslapping mag and have just the membership. So it looks like $40 for a membership and a mag that you don't want plus you still don't get a hard copy rulebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymouscuban Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 I'm sure that it has been mentioned but I don't recall there being any talk of raising the membership dues has there? What I am seeing when trying to renew there is no longer an associate membership available to get if you do not want to get the magazine. It used to be $40 and the Mag. or $25 and no mag. I would just as soon not get the self promoting/backslapping mag and have just the membership. So it looks like $40 for a membership and a mag that you don't want plus you still don't get a hard copy rulebook.I thought I was going nuts. I renewed last week. I swore I paid $25 before and not $40 but I didn't see it mentioned anywhere so thought I was just mistaken. Sent from my SM-G930U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpm2953 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 I just renewed in Nov and it was $25. No mag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robchavous Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Curious. Just checking my membership and it shows that my current is the $40 annual even though I did the $25 last July. Perhaps it's something they changed at the first of the year. This is the first I've seen anything about it. Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intheshaw1 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 I just looked at new member signup and it has both options still. I wonder if it's some website issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymouscuban Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 I just looked at new member signup and it has both options still. I wonder if it's some website issue.Maybe it's just for new memberships?Sent from my SM-G930U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymouscuban Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 This is what I see when logged in.Sent from my SM-G930U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT_Schultz Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 I renewed last month and I paid $25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glockster1 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) Don't renew and pay nothing. Membership is only required for Tier 2 and above USPSA matches. Of course, if you enjoy having them disclosing all your personal information for the entire world to see on SCSA, and without the viewers/collectors even being USPSA members, then by all means, pay for a membership. I think people also enjoy doing it for the same reasons people like Facebook and Twitter. I don't understand why. Especially this day in age in America where many different government agencies, and god knows what other trolls, collect that type of data on US citizens. Different strokes for different folks I guess. Edited March 8, 2020 by Glockster1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louu Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Glockster1 said: Don't renew and pay nothing. Membership is only required for Tier 2 and above USPSA matches. Of course, if you enjoy having them disclosing all your personal information for the entire world to see on SCSA, and without the viewers/collectors even being USPSA members, then by all means, pay for a membership. I think people also enjoy doing it for the same reasons people like Facebook and Twitter. I don't understand why. Especially this day in age in America where many different government agencies, and god knows what other trolls, collect that type of data on US citizens. Different strokes for different folks I guess. Please correct me if I am wrong here but I thought membership was required if you shoot more than 2 matches a year including level 1. I have no idea how they could enforce that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
223to45 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 This is what I see when logged in.Sent from my SM-G930U using TapatalkScroll down to other memberships. Individual shows 40Other members in household shows $25Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glockster1 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, louu said: Please correct me if I am wrong here but I thought membership was required if you shoot more than 2 matches a year including level 1. I have no idea how they could enforce that though. No, Sir. Not required. It's only required for Tier 2 or higher USPSA events. That includes SCSA Steel Challenge events. I shoot literally around 60 a year and that's what all eight clubs I mostly shoot at have also told be. You just have to register as "U" "Unclassified" when you register for a Level I event. Actually, you could register with a higher classification, but your shooting skills won't be acknowledged by USPSA or SCSA. You just shoot for fun. And that's all I care about. Edited March 9, 2020 by Glockster1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forty5cal1911 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 FWIW I renewed at the beginning of this month and it was 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jowbow Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I just joined this month. I was asked if I wanted a magazine, but I was unaware of a price difference. I got the magazine and paid $40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louu Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 48 minutes ago, Glockster1 said: No, Sir. Not required. It's only required for Tier 2 or higher USPSA events. That includes SCSA Steel Challenge events. I shoot literally around 60 a year and that's what all eight clubs I mostly shoot at have also told be. You just have to register as "U" "Unclassified" when you register for a Level I event. Actually, you could register with a higher classification, but your shooting skills won't be acknowledged by USPSA or SCSA. You just shoot for fun. And that's all I care about. That's awesome, looks like I'll have forty bucks more for the babysitter this year lol. Thanks man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egd5 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 No you don't have to join. I shoot maybe 3-4 idpa shoots per year and I do not belong. But if I shot some every month I would join. I shoot usually 2 a month uspsa and I belong. I think that is the ethical thing to do. They provide a set of rules and structure to the game we enjoy. Everyone has their own set of values and sense of fairness. Mine says if I partake of something I should support it. I try to help set-up at matches even when it's not my club. I want to be considered as more than just a taker who doesn't give back. YMMV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuz Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I haven’t shot a USPSA match in a couple of years, but I’m still a member and actually enjoy the magazine and try to support the advertisers in it when I can. It’s a shooting sport, so I don’t mind supporting it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJB Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 9 hours ago, egd5 said: .....I shoot usually 2 a month uspsa and I belong. I think that is the ethical thing to do. They provide a set of rules and structure to the game we enjoy. Everyone has their own set of values and sense of fairness. Mine says if I partake of something I should support it. I try to help set-up at matches even when it's not my club. I want to be considered as more than just a taker who doesn't give back. YMMV Exactly @egd5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 14 hours ago, Glockster1 said: Don't renew and pay nothing. Membership is only required for Tier 2 and above USPSA matches Major matches and the classification system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas H Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 13 hours ago, Glockster1 said: No, Sir. Not required. It's only required for Tier 2 or higher USPSA events. That includes SCSA Steel Challenge events. I shoot literally around 60 a year and that's what all eight clubs I mostly shoot at have also told be. You just have to register as "U" "Unclassified" when you register for a Level I event. Actually, you could register with a higher classification, but your shooting skills won't be acknowledged by USPSA or SCSA. You just shoot for fun. And that's all I care about. Registering with a higher classification won't mean anything, because the stats person should be running a classification update prior to finalizing the results, and if you don't have a member number, you'll be listed as "U" class. If you aren't a member, you don't have a classification. @Glockster1, you said this: "Of course, if you enjoy having them disclosing all your personal information for the entire world to see on SCSA" Can you explain that? Where does this happen? What personal information is available? Regarding membership: While USPSA/SCSA gets money from my club every time I shoot a match, I prefer to also support the sports I participate in via memberships. I also like to shoot majors, because they are fun. People certainly CAN choose to continually shoot the sport without supporting the sport, but.....well. If you enjoy the sport, why not support the sport? (Someone shooting 60 matches a year, for example, certainly has an extra $25 lying around.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 12 hours ago, egd5 said: No you don't have to join. I shoot maybe 3-4 idpa shoots per year and I do not belong. But if I shot some every month I would join. I shoot usually 2 a month uspsa and I belong. I think that is the ethical thing to do. They provide a set of rules and structure to the game we enjoy. unlike idpa, no one cares if you join uspsa or not. uspsa gets their activity fee money from your participation in the sport whether or not you are a member. If you feel the benefits of membership are worth the $40, then by all means, join up (I did), but you are doing nothing unethical by staying unclassified and paying your match fees at level 1 matches). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egd5 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I used unethical because I couldn't think of a more appropriate word. However you want to say it, that's how I feel. And I believe there are people who care. But as I ended, YMMV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 meh. it's free-market capitalism. If you shoot regularly, uspsa gets FAR more of your money from entry fees. If there are people that care about whether you are a member or not, it's only because they are either bad at math, or confusing USPSA's business model with the very different (and dumb) IDPA model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrackCage Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 What do you think their goal is by removing associate memberships? They didn't raise the standard rate, so I'm not buying it's purely about money. I wonder if we'll see a spike in lifetime members? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, TrackCage said: What do you think their goal is by removing associate memberships? They didn't raise the standard rate, so I'm not buying it's purely about money. I wonder if we'll see a spike in lifetime members? doesn't look like they removed it, just made it harder to find. Perhaps their original intent with the associate membership was for multiple-member households so only 1 copy of the magazine would be sent. Edited March 9, 2020 by motosapiens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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