perttime Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 4 hours ago, Cliveb said: ... - They start by attending some of our weekly training sessions - no pressure of scores, just learning the ropes. ... Perhaps some clubs only have matches, and no training sessions? My club has monthly matches and weekly training sessions - and those who have completed "The Course" can practice on their own, whenever the range is open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliveb Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 2 hours ago, SGT_Schultz said: I've seen more DQs from experienced guys pushing it than from shooters in the first few matches. The majority of shooters who show up for their first match cold already know how to draw a pistol and do basic manipulations. That's a function of our relaxed laws over firearm ownership and carrying for self defense. Then the safety brief makes them slow down and think through their movement, 180, etc. On top of that, ROs keep a good eye on them. Net result most come in last, are slower, safe, and leave with a smile on their face. I will say that quite a few clubs do offer prep courses/clinics for those interested, so your idea isn't completely foreign here. It's just not as widespread as the safety briefing the morning of. Yep - the context of gun use is slightly different, and our respective situations are clearer. Over here, the vast majority of gun owners just target shoot/plink off a table. No holster use, movement etc - so they wouldn't be really ready to just strap on a holster and play. Also, our weekly training sessions are usually divided into a couple of hours of drills for the serious types, followed by a couple of hours of stages - which is the equivalent of a non-official L1 match. This gives them a pretty good feel of the game. Then there's the fact that we are a small number of more experienced shooters who have our work cut out on match day - running stages, RO-ing, dismantling/setting up new stages (only 2 shooting bays available), in addition to wanting to enjoy the match and shoot well - so we won't be giving first timer briefings etc - they can get that every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 5 hours ago, SGT_Schultz said: I've seen more DQs from experienced guys pushing it than from shooters in the first few matches. The majority of shooters who show up for their first match cold already know how to draw a pistol and do basic manipulations. That's a function of our relaxed laws over firearm ownership and carrying for self defense. Then the safety brief makes them slow down and think through their movement, 180, etc. On top of that, ROs keep a good eye on them. Net result most come in last, are slower, safe, and leave with a smile on their face. I will say that quite a few clubs do offer prep courses/clinics for those interested, so your idea isn't completely foreign here. It's just not as widespread as the safety briefing the morning of. Really? Maybe we just have dumber newbies here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jschroep Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 (edited) Am I gonna have to get slide cuts on a P320 X5 Legion? Website says it’s 43.5 with the magwell and I know I’m not gonna get a dot sight on there that is 1.5 oz. If so that is kinda annoying. Or if I take off that rear sight does it come in just under the 45 oz limit for co. Also base plates are only gonna add to my weight. Aghhhh Edited February 26, 2020 by jschroep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 1 hour ago, jschroep said: Am I gonna have to get slide cuts on a P320 X5 Legion? Website says it’s 43.5 with the magwell and I know I’m not gonna get a dot sight on there that is 1.5 oz. If so that is kinda annoying. Or if I take off that rear sight does it come in just under the 45 oz limit for co. Also base plates are only gonna add to my weight. Aghhhh For CO you can’t have a magwell so that will save a bunch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jschroep Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 14 minutes ago, Sarge said: For CO you can’t have a magwell so that will save a bunch Oh well that's relief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmella Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 On 2/25/2020 at 9:47 PM, jschroep said: Oh well that's relief. Don’t got much to worry about now. Start thinking of ways to beef that sucker up. Sh@t throw an hs510 on that bad Larry and hide some more tungsten somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClangClang Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 On 2/25/2020 at 8:27 PM, jschroep said: Am I gonna have to get slide cuts on a P320 X5 Legion? Website says it’s 43.5 with the magwell and I know I’m not gonna get a dot sight on there that is 1.5 oz. If so that is kinda annoying. Or if I take off that rear sight does it come in just under the 45 oz limit for co. Also base plates are only gonna add to my weight. Aghhhh Weight limit in CO has just been raised to 59oz so you're fine. Nothing to worry about. Still can't have that magwell installed in CO though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT_Schultz Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, ClangClang said: Weight limit in CO has just been raised to 59oz so you're fine. Did a new rulebook come out? Edited March 3, 2020 by SGT_Schultz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robb315 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 37 minutes ago, SGT_Schultz said: Did a new rulebook come out? It’s in the board minutes that just came out on the Uspsa website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 3 hours ago, robb315 said: It’s in the board minutes that just came out on the Uspsa website. And from what I understand there will be a 2020 rules coming out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Want fun? Bring a mag gauge to a local match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 58 minutes ago, rowdyb said: Want fun? Bring a mag gauge to a local match. Or if you have time to kill bring a chrono too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echotango Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 56 minutes ago, Sarge said: Or if you have time to kill bring a chrono too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daytona955i Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 On 2/25/2020 at 8:27 PM, jschroep said: Am I gonna have to get slide cuts on a P320 X5 Legion? Website says it’s 43.5 with the magwell and I know I’m not gonna get a dot sight on there that is 1.5 oz. If so that is kinda annoying. Or if I take off that rear sight does it come in just under the 45 oz limit for co. Also base plates are only gonna add to my weight. Aghhhh Not that it matters anymore, but the rear sight plate weighs more than the optic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidb72 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 So going back to the OP - we saw the guy with the S2 that was most likely too heavy. So you tell the shooter and they send it somewhere to get it lightened and milled (at significant cost). Then, two months later USPSA changes the rules and the original gun would have been legal. Should you reimburse the shooter? Should USPSA? Tough question right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT_Schultz Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 31 minutes ago, davidb72 said: So going back to the OP - we saw the guy with the S2 that was most likely too heavy. So you tell the shooter and they send it somewhere to get it lightened and milled (at significant cost). YES Then, two months later USPSA changes the rules and the original gun would have been legal. Too bad. Rules are not ex post facto Should you reimburse the shooter? Hell no Should USPSA? Neither Tough question right? Nope. Easy question. Play by the rules or don't play at all. I don't get the logic of some here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nasty618 Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 On 5/21/2020 at 3:13 PM, davidb72 said: Should you reimburse the shooter? Should USPSA? Tough question right? Not really: No. Also, I don't really see the logic or how that's relevant to the OP, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJeromeE Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 So I am just delving into carry optics, and I wanted to read this thread to see what was relevant, but I ended up more confused. Everyone keeps saying that the shadow 2 isn't CO legal because of the 45oz weight limit, yet the rule book states 59oz weight limit? So is the shadow 2 good to go in CO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George16 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, CJeromeE said: So I am just delving into carry optics, and I wanted to read this thread to see what was relevant, but I ended up more confused. Everyone keeps saying that the shadow 2 isn't CO legal because of the 45oz weight limit, yet the rule book states 59oz weight limit? So is the shadow 2 good to go in CO? Shadow 2 is good to go in CO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuvDog Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 1 hour ago, CJeromeE said: So I am just delving into carry optics, and I wanted to read this thread to see what was relevant, but I ended up more confused. Everyone keeps saying that the shadow 2 isn't CO legal because of the 45oz weight limit, yet the rule book states 59oz weight limit? So is the shadow 2 good to go in CO? Tell those people to go read the updated rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styro Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 (edited) I have never seen pistols come into question. Their differences in state legalities are so subtle, an average MD or even trained USPSA RO can't tell the difference. It's the PCC's and long barreled guns that often get flagged. In Commiefornia, those are known as "assault weapons" and aren't legal for use in competitions there. " Question 1: Would you, as a certified RO with the timer or tablet: a. follow the rules b. pretend like you didn't see it c. explain the rules for the future and let him shoot for score ========= Follow rules, but I wouldn't be a stickler over a slide machining detail. I wouldn't see that as a competitive advantage. Edited June 10, 2020 by Styro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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