WaltMel Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 ard212 It is not an IPSC rule. Some ranges, both indoor and outdoor have their own set of requirements. At the front of the rulebook that you received when you took your training course, does it state that some local rules have priority over the rulebook? If it is a range rule, that could be why the RM begrudgingly upheld the call. I understand that it is disheartening getting DQ'd at your novice match, but as ima45dv8 stated, take your course again, and have fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36873687 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Just shake it off an go have fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schutzenmeister Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Ard It's hard for me to give you a lot of advice based on "facts" in your case … I really don't have much to go on. As you indicate you're from Argentina I recommend you contact a good friend of mine down there … Jose Zarate. Jose is an IROA certified RM from Argentina. He shouldn't be all that hard for you to get in contact with. I've known him for quite a number of years and he's quite good at what he does. (He's also likely quite likely familiar with the range where you shoot and the people involved!) Run your questions past him and see if you can get an answer that makes sense. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acclaym Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 As far as the DQ ruling, it's impossible to say without seeing the scenario. But definitely keep going! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 4 hours ago, WaltMel said: ard212 It is not an IPSC rule. Some ranges, both indoor and outdoor have their own set of requirements. At the front of the rulebook that you received when you took your training course, does it state that some local rules have priority over the rulebook? If it is a range rule, that could be why the RM begrudgingly upheld the call. I understand that it is disheartening getting DQ'd at your novice match, but as ima45dv8 stated, take your course again, and have fun. Add another reason IPSC is worse than USPSA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT_Schultz Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 1 hour ago, waktasz said: Add another reason IPSC is worse than USPSA And taking a class before you can shoot And living in countries where the cops tell you where/when/how/what you can shoot or own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Bye bye thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swordfish Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 19 minutes ago, SGT_Schultz said: And living in countries where the cops tell you where/when/how/what you can shoot or own Like the United States? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 46 minutes ago, SGT_Schultz said: And taking a class before you can shoot And living in countries where the cops tell you where/when/how/what you can shoot or own Lest we forget... Restricted ContentPoliticsPolicy and political discussions or debates of any kind - even if you consider your opinions to be "facts" - are not welcome anywhere in the forum.Specifically including (but not limited to):• USPSA vs IPSC• IPSC vs IDPA• STI vs SVI• Limited 10 vs Limited Division• This Division vs That Division• This Government vs That Government• Gun Control Issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjb45 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 It is amazing that very experience RO/MD have their own opinion of the rules regardless of the actual rules. Based on limited info in your thread - es muy mal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ard212 Posted February 10, 2020 Author Share Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Cardinal said: Normally the RO writes down the exact rules which was broken and lead to the DQ on score sheet. And informs the RM/area RM. So the competitor should have a clear answer to why they were DQ, even if they dont agree with it. As perttime mentions missing a target on its own isnt a DQ under IPSC. But there are sometimes range restrictions and violating those can lead to a DQ. As an example we have had rifle matches on a military range where pointing the barrel over the berm is a violation. Reason being the range is situated under the approach and departure lanes to Norway's largest airport and also population in the area behind the berms. Military ranges also often have less than 180 deg fire angles. In such cases it must clearly be mentioned in the WSB and also ahead of the match. I think I'm gonna ask for that report this Wednesday when the range opens. I'm gonna have to wait one or two months before giving it another go, the heat is just too f*#king much during our summer. Edited February 10, 2020 by ard212 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT_Schultz Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 3 hours ago, GrumpyOne said: Lest we forget... Restricted ContentPoliticsPolicy and political discussions or debates of any kind - even if you consider your opinions to be "facts" - are not welcome anywhere in the forum.Specifically including (but not limited to):• USPSA vs IPSC• IPSC vs IDPA• STI vs SVI• Limited 10 vs Limited Division• This Division vs That Division• This Government vs That Government• Gun Control Issues Roger that. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 32 minutes ago, SGT_Schultz said: Roger that. Sorry. Never compromise, even in the face of armageddon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardinal Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 13 hours ago, SGT_Schultz said: And taking a class before you can shoot IPSC does NOT require a class, but regions may. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124gr9mm Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 13 hours ago, ard212 said: I think I'm gonna ask for that report this Wednesday when the range opens. I'm gonna have to wait one or two months before giving it another go, the heat is just too f*#king much during our summer. Respectfully, I'd recommend moving on. If you keep digging and digging into this you're going to alienate yourself from the RO, RM and the organization itself. What do you hope to gain? They're not going to reverse the DQ. You're a new shooter who was warned on one stage and DQ'd on a subsequent stage for the same thing you were warned about. In the mind of the RO, RM, and anyone else in the organization it will be an open and shut issue. I believe you're telling the truth with your side of the story, but we don't get the OTHER side of the story from what the RO was seeing. From his eyes there was a problem with the way you were shooting. It was just a DQ. It's part of the game and it happens frequently. It even happens to experienced shooters. Go to the range and practice between now and your next match so you won't miss ANY targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaterHead Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 If you shoot long enough, there will be times you should have been dq’d and it didn’t happen and, you will know it. So, maybe you’ll be even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happygunner77 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 PC gaming > Console gaming. Is this ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT_Schultz Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 OP, get certified as an RO and then make sure to squad with the guy who DQ'd you. You know what to do next....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, SGT_Schultz said: OP, get certified as an RO and then make sure to squad with the guy who DQ'd you. You know what to do next....... That’s not how it works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT_Schultz Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Sarge said: That’s not how it works That is exactly how it works if you know the system, hold a grudge, and bide your time. Edited February 11, 2020 by SGT_Schultz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schutzenmeister Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 hour ago, SGT_Schultz said: OP, get certified as an RO and then make sure to squad with the guy who DQ'd you. You know what to do next....... Incredibly BAD advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obsessiveshooter Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 This might hurt, but if 2 people agreed to send you home, then honestly I'm thinking they thought you looked wild with the gun and that you didn't have enough experience to be running around with one, shooting at stuff you can't hit. They probably thought you just generally weren't safe enough and, rules be damned, weren't going to let you keep going. If you have video from the match we'd love to see it. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nso123 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 I am surprised that nobody has suggested you simply ask the RO and RM for advice on how to avoid a future DQ due to the same type of situation. I would suck my ego up and ask for their help. You might find that they appreciate you asking them, and your future matches will become more enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliveb Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 7 hours ago, nso123 said: I am surprised that nobody has suggested you simply ask the RO and RM for advice on how to avoid a future DQ due to the same type of situation. I would suck my ego up and ask for their help. You might find that they appreciate you asking them, and your future matches will become more enjoyable. Good advice here. As others have said, missing a target is not a DQ, but this particular range construction may have made it unsafe. The best approach is a "please explain what I did wrong so I don't do it again". It's an attitude officials like to see in a shooter. As for shooting again, d'oh...of course you'll carry on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bimmer1980 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) Well, at an indoor range, miss a mobile bullet catch, 2meters away , 2 times in a row, hitting the sidewalls of the range, while doing a slow and secure pace, would be unsafe gun handling, at least in my eyes. But i don´t know if that was the case. Edited February 11, 2020 by bimmer1980 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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