Abominator Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Casually shot all my life, never competitively. I started USPSA last year, shot 4 matches ranked around the middle of the pack (about 30 is people) every match. Was pretty happy but diagnosing my scores I was actually extremely accurate but pretty darn slow. I saw how important speed is so I bought Ben Stoeger's Dryfire book and Skill and Drills. Great reads. I am using the accurate but slow schedule for training. Holy F$@k I am slow. I feel light years away from these PAR times. I know I just started but I didn't realize how hard it is to move fast and try to retain accuracy. Oh well I'm still having a great time and can't wait for matches to start up in my area again. Anyone have a similar experience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dapribek Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 I was told that speed would come with experience, and I found that to be true. I was also told that a good rhythm is getting an A and C on each target. I was never really able to accomplish that, I always tried for two alphas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjb45 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Speed comes from seeing faster and moving, not necessarily shooting faster. Seeklander sometimes refers to 'controlled chaos" in competition. Voigt probably move in and out of position faster than anyone I have seen. TGO moves only as far as he has to to see his target--no wasted movement. Taran just rolls through each position shooting. Burkett was always out of breadth when he finished a stage. If you are getting 95% of your points then it is time to up the movement/seeing aspects. You have to push your comfort zone to get faster. Make sure you don't develop training scars in the process. Never compromise you the firing sequence procedure to gain speed Seeklander has a great book. Check his website. Take a class from a known instructor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewthursby Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Check out Steve Anderson’s books and Podcast for approaches to getting faster.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Usually, beginners (and me) benefit MORE from shooting as usual, but doing everything else faster. It does help to shoot faster, also, though. But that's a grip/trigger pull trick. Have to really clamp down on that gun, and pull the trigger straight back with just enough pressure to set it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lroy Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) You can try recording yourself doing a stage and one of the better guys at the match to see the differences. Personally I find double tapping just "feel" faster not really helpful. The main thing I saw between myself and a GM level guy was just how much faster everything was. It wasn't the quarter second splits, it was everything. Getting into position with the gun up ready to fire, transitions, moving, etc. Basically though, the only way to get faster it to practice going fast. Edited February 10, 2020 by lroy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IVC Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 You won't get faster if you practice slow shooting. The only way to get faster is to get out of your comfort zone and to build speed. Sure, you can go out of your comfort zone "a little bit at a time" (commonly knowing as simply "getting better with practice"), but that's a lot of wasted training time just so you don't feel overwhelmed. When you start working on speed, you will miss and you will feel out of control. That's the point... Otherwise, as others pointed out, for your match scores it's about shooting sooner, not shooting faster. Also known as being fast vs. shooting fast. By far most time is lost in movement, and by movement I don't mean just "getting from point A to point B," but "from last shot at point A to the first shot at point B." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abominator Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 Thanks for the pointers. You are certainly right about feeling out of control trying to speed up. It's a good thing I really enjoy the whole process! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 13 hours ago, Abominator said: You are right about feeling out of control trying to speed up. That's Ben's major point . Speed up - it's okay to feel out of control, during practice sessions. With the proper grip, springs and trigger technique, you can feel out of control but still hit the target. I've shot slowly, hoping to speed up, for decades - doesn't seem to work very well. During practice, I'm practicing stronger grip, better trigger control and going "out of control" - getting better at it. Have a ways to go (a long ways). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattmann Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 This was the same as me and I’m sure all new shooters. I just started trying to “push the limits” lately and it has definitely paid off. I won my first ever local 3 Gun match last weekend. Shot faster but more than that, ran like a dog was after me from box to box. Almost busted my butt one time lol. I agree with all of this. Biggest problem I have is trying to move to the next target BEFORE I hear or see that hit. This creates make up shots and more time. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Hi there, atrocious, I'm mediocre. I notice I do better if I hurry and accept a few wide shots. The moderately good guys around here are shooting a good number of Cs but FAST. I know the real centerfold shooters are shooting As fast but that is way ahead of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremyc_1999 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 On 2/10/2020 at 5:11 AM, ewthursby said: Check out Steve Anderson’s books and Podcast for approaches to getting faster. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Do you have the premium access? If so, do you feel that it is worth it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigdeal929 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 On 2/9/2020 at 5:00 PM, pjb45 said: Speed comes from seeing faster and moving, not necessarily shooting faster. Seeklander sometimes refers to 'controlled chaos" in competition. Voigt probably move in and out of position faster than anyone I have seen. TGO moves only as far as he has to to see his target--no wasted movement. Taran just rolls through each position shooting. Burkett was always out of breadth when he finished a stage. If you are getting 95% of your points then it is time to up the movement/seeing aspects. You have to push your comfort zone to get faster. Make sure you don't develop training scars in the process. Never compromise you the firing sequence procedure to gain speed Seeklander has a great book. Check his website. Take a class from a known instructor! Thanks! I’m on that book now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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