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.38 special load with Berry's 158 w/ 231, Titegroup, Clays?


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Hi Guys, I'm chasing my tail trying to get a .38 special load with Berry's 158 plated bullet to make minor.

 

I tried using a book load of 4.4gr of 231, and I'm not even close. The book says, 820fps, my chrono (and my buddy's) say 680.

 

Does anybody have a 231 or Titegroup, or Clays load with a Barry's 158gr bullet that makes minor? I'm not looking for what the books say, I'm looking for something that somebody actually loaded and chrono'd.

 

Thanks in advance.

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Are you making sure the powder is back in the case when you Chrono?  I load 38 special with 231 (HP 38) and make minor with 4 grains out of a 4 inch gun and 160 grain RN.  However, my velocity goes way down if the powder is positioned in the front of the case 

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Yes from what I remember (4 or so yrs ago) Win 231 (HP-38) is very position sensitive. I tended to get partially burned powder when I tried to go to a lower charge. If you raise the barrel and slowly lower it it may chrono a bit better..

FWIW Hogdon's site lists a max load for the 38 Spec @ 4.3 gr for 779 fps out of a 7.7" bbl. (Cast bullet data for plated bullet) Your 680 fps sounds pretty close.

That problem is why I cut my 38 Spec brass down to .900 (38 Super). I don't do it for the (assumed) quicker loading, but for the efficient powder burn, etc.

I use 3.8 gr Win 231 with a 147 gr Blue bullet and am around 128 PF or slightly above.

Hogdon's site also lists 38 Spec +P at 4.6 gr Hp-38 (same powder) for 807 fps. (7.7" bbl)

Good luck with your search...

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Are you looking at loads in the 38 +P section of the loading manual? You're going to want to load above the power factor floor to ensure steel goes down, I aim for 132-135.

No help, but I shoot 4.6 of Unique behind a 158 grain coated lead round nose. I believe that's into the +P loads in the manual. A plated bullet needs more powder than lead.

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Thanks for the info guys, I'll give it a try on Monday. Yes, I have noticed my first shot is slower than the rest. Now it makes sense.

30 years ago when I was loading Win 452AA in my .45 I don't remember having these problems.

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Thanks for the info guys, I'll give it a try on Monday. Yes, I have noticed my first shot is slower than the rest. Now it makes sense.

 

30 years ago when I was loading Win 452AA in my .45 I don't remember having these problems.

 

Was your 45 a wheel gun? The bottom feeders spread the powder out inside the case better cause of the way they chamber. Revos have the slow first round issue because we drop the gun down to load them. A powder that fills the case better can help.

 

 

 

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All this discussion is why I suggested you use a different powder.  

Also, I'm wondering if your technique for chrono set-up is up to par.

When you're here in the  "land of the free", we'll discuss how it should be done.  And you can ignore that advice too.  :^)

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37 minutes ago, pyrrhic3gun said:

All this discussion is why I suggested you use a different powder.  

Also, I'm wondering if your technique for chrono set-up is up to par.

When you're here in the  "land of the free", we'll discuss how it should be done.  And you can ignore that advice too.  :^)

 

Somebody once told me, powder is powder :)

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tight group,  doesnt care about position,, should easy make pf with 158 swc's. I run 3,1 under a 148 wc, at 710
I've been told tightgroup makes the forcing cone a little warmer than other powders. Burns suck if you reload strong hand, I usually forget to tape my middle finger until stage 2. :/

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14 hours ago, PatJones said:

Isn't 105 power factor for speedloader fed revos in IDPA?

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I was having lunch at Minder Binders a few weeks ago with my friend, and we were just discussing this :)

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I doubt very much if the Chrono Officer will try to position the powder in the case.  If you ask them nicely I'm sure they will find it amusing though.

 

If it's for USPSA load PF for 132+, ICORE 125+.  Different procedures for each, USPSA is avg of 3 then 6 if not made, ICORE is single best of 6.

 

Use Clays/ClayDot as Titegroup tends to heat up the gun.  I've not used 158 plated in 38 specials though, just in short colts.

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8 hours ago, ysrracer said:

That's what I love about getting reloading data on the web. Ask ten people, get fourteen different suggestions :)


I like to see what loads people are using but then I cross check the data I find on the web with a reliable source like Hodgdon's reloading data online or a good, current, reloading manual.

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