71Commander Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Magazines are allowed to be coupled end to end in PCC, just not side by side. If there are two separate mags coupled butt to butt with a rubber sleeve, both having different base plates, can you do a eject then do a 180 and insert the other coupled mag as part of the mandatory reload? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatJones Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 No.5.2.4 "During the course of fire, after the start signal, unless stipulated otherwise in the stage procedure, spare ammunition, magazines and/or speed loading devices shall be carried in retention devices attached to the competitor's belt and specifically designed for that purpose. Unless specifically prohibited in the Written Stage Briefing, a competitor may also carry additional magazines or speed loading devices in apparel pocket(s) and retrieve and use them, providing that the location of the apparel pocket does not violate the requirements of Appendix D, Item 12 (subject to the provisions of Rule"D8, item 12, specifically states, "Magazines must be carried on the belt or in apparel pockets. See rule 5.2.4. No restriction on location on the belt. No thigh rigs or tie down magazine holders." Carrying a magazine in other places is not allowed.D8 also says "No side-by-side magazine couplers allowed. End-to-end coupling/extension is allowed." It reads end to end coupling/extension, not end to end coupling or extension. There are mag extensions that use a second mag body, this is allowed.Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 I’ve always been taught that “/“ basically means and/or. I would say as written mags op described would be legal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71Commander Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, PatJones said: No. End-to-end coupling/extension is allowed." It reads end to end coupling/extension, not end to end coupling or extension Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk I know all of the other stuff. The end to end is the ambiguous part. Can't find a clear definition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71Commander Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Sarge said: I’ve always been taught that “/“ basically means and/or. I would say as written mags op described would be legal So have I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HCH Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 I think Pat’s got it. One of the handguard mag holders would fall in the same arena IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71Commander Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, HCH said: I think Pat’s got it. One of the handguard mag holders would fall in the same arena IMO. He's alluding to a coupler that makes one long magazine out of two mags. I'm talking about two separate mags that are butt to butt. Does the reload mag have to come from a pouch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Hell. If legal... I’d enjoy letting you do it and pretend that it’s anywhere near as fast as it will be coming from the belt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HCH Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, 71Commander said: Does the reload mag have to come from a pouch? In short, yes. With the coupler your spare magazine would not be “carried” on the belt or pocket. Just like Pat wrote. Edited January 24, 2020 by HCH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, HCH said: In short, yes. With the coupler your spare magazine would not be “carried” on the belt or pocket. Just like Pat wrote. 2 hours ago, 71Commander said: He's alluding to a coupler that makes one long magazine out of two mags. I'm talking about two separate mags that are butt to butt. Does the reload mag have to come from a pouch? Actually, yes, reload has to come from a pouch. But didn't it come from a pouch to begin with? Edited January 25, 2020 by Sarge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1911 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 I wouldn't even bother with it. When you're hitting the mag release, you should already have your support hand pulling the other mag from the pouch and moving towards the magwell for the reload. It should be much faster than taking the mag out and flipping it, then hoping your hand corresponds correctly to align and get a solid seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HCH Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Sarge said: Actually, yes, reload has to come from a pouch. But didn't it come from a pouch to begin with? I never put mags in a pouch shooting PCC... why reload when you have 48 rounds Item 12 seems pretty cut and dried to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71Commander Posted January 25, 2020 Author Share Posted January 25, 2020 33 minutes ago, Matt1911 said: I wouldn't even bother with it. When you're hitting the mag release, you should already have your support hand pulling the other mag from the pouch and moving towards the magwell for the reload. It should be much faster than taking the mag out and flipping it, then hoping your hand corresponds correctly to align and get a solid seat. Be nice if it was that easy. I'm shooting an UZI. Mag release is on the bottom left of the grip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71Commander Posted January 25, 2020 Author Share Posted January 25, 2020 28 minutes ago, HCH said: I never put mags in a pouch shooting PCC... why reload when you have 48 rounds Item 12 seems pretty cut and dried to me. Mandatory reload. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HCH Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, 71Commander said: Mandatory reload. Yeah... it was a joke. It comes down to this: coupled, separate mags are not allowed. Mags that are to be used on a stage are to be carried on the belt or pocket (unless otherwise stated in the WSB). If you have two distinct mags butt-to-butt, you are carrying one that is not in a mag pouch or pocket, and a coupled mag. The adapters that make one mag body act as an extension are allowed because they make one functional magazine. Edited January 25, 2020 by HCH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 PCC shooters aren't the first ones to think of this. Open dudes with big sticks that stick out have thought of it too... and been shot down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71Commander Posted January 31, 2020 Author Share Posted January 31, 2020 On 1/27/2020 at 10:22 AM, shred said: PCC shooters aren't the first ones to think of this. Open dudes with big sticks that stick out have thought of it too... and been shot down. PCC shooters don't have a mag length restriction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ontos Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 On 1/24/2020 at 4:44 PM, MemphisMechanic said: Hell. If legal... I’d enjoy letting you do it and pretend that it’s anywhere near as fast as it will be coming from the belt. I was kinda thinking the same thing... why would you want to? That sounds awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckie45 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 "D8 also says "No side-by-side magazine couplers allowed. End-to-end coupling/extension is allowed." It reads end to end coupling/extension, not end to end coupling or extension. There are mag extensions that use a second mag body, this is allowed." I got to agree with PatJones on this one. Intent of this rule to allow you to create an extended mag, not connect two separate mags. Wording could be clearer though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schutzenmeister Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 On 1/31/2020 at 9:05 AM, 71Commander said: PCC shooters don't have a mag length restriction. As a side note, and not to hijack the thread, anyone thinking of shooting the World Shoot PCC championship next year should note: IPSC rules do restrict magazine capacity (along with some other differences.) If you have no interest in the world championship, cool ... Don't worry about it! If you're considering it, you may want to review the differences so you're not surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ard212 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 On 3/4/2020 at 11:28 AM, Schutzenmeister said: As a side note, and not to hijack the thread, anyone thinking of shooting the World Shoot PCC championship next year should note: IPSC rules do restrict magazine capacity (along with some other differences.) If you have no interest in the world championship, cool ... Don't worry about it! If you're considering it, you may want to review the differences so you're not surprised. Sorry for bumping kind of an old thread, but this question has been bugging me for a few weeks, what's magazine capacity limit for PCC ? And for which kind of matches does it apply ? Thanks !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Uspsa no limit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schutzenmeister Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 @ard212 32 in the mag, plus 1 in the chamber. No mag coupling allowed. @Sarge His question was clearly (and politely) about IPSC rules. Why do you have to be snarky? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 25 minutes ago, Schutzenmeister said: @ard212 32 in the mag, plus 1 in the chamber. No mag coupling allowed. @Sarge His question was clearly (and politely) about IPSC rules. Why do you have to be snarky? Wait, where is IPSC in his question? And how is “USPSA NO LIMIT” even remotely snarky. This thread in USPSA/IPSC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 They were talking about a World Shoot. Aren't those run under IPSC rules? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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