nhyrum Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Ive got a para p16 based gun that im looking for an open holster for. I think im going to go with the DAA alpha series, but am not positive on which insert to use. the gun is really close to a 1911, but the grip is obviously wider, and most 1911 holsters dont fit the trigger area. Im open to other holsters, especially cheaper ones lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N3WWN Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I use a CR Speed WSM II with my Rock Island Armory Pro Ultra Match HC 40. These are Para clones, so should fit the same holsters. If you're interested, I can check to see how I have the spacers set up to fit the trigger guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhyrum Posted January 21, 2020 Author Share Posted January 21, 2020 I use a CR Speed WSM II with my Rock Island Armory Pro Ultra Match HC 40. These are Para clones, so should fit the same holsters. If you're interested, I can check to see how I have the spacers set up to fit the trigger guard.Mine is a rock island as well. I would be interested in seeing your setup. I've got a comp and frame mounted dot. I've got other holsters that fit it before I got the optic though. Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Ive got a ccouple that would work, one was for a caspian open gun , same round trigger guard. Adjustable for comp length.. I wanna say its a CR speed, was the bees knees about 10 years ago.... Also how old school you want to go ? Have a leather ted blocker speed holster for up to I think 7 inch,, need to dig them out. My caspian project is dead due to barrel fit and magazine issues, so gonna dig these out and list them in classified soon I guess, sell the first one that sells. I need one for my future pin gun I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhyrum Posted January 22, 2020 Author Share Posted January 22, 2020 Ive got a ccouple that would work, one was for a caspian open gun , same round trigger guard. Adjustable for comp length.. I wanna say its a CR speed, was the bees knees about 10 years ago.... Also how old school you want to go ? Have a leather ted blocker speed holster for up to I think 7 inch,, need to dig them out. My caspian project is dead due to barrel fit and magazine issues, so gonna dig these out and list them in classified soon I guess, sell the first one that sells. I need one for my future pin gun I thinkI'd be interested in the cr speed. I kinda want to mix old school with new school, I'm shooting 9x25 Dillon, which was in use about 30 years ago, but I don't want to go leather I don't get why those darned open holsters run 200 bucks [emoji2962] Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N3WWN Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 15 hours ago, nhyrum said: Mine is a rock island as well. I would be interested in seeing your setup. I've got a comp and frame mounted dot. I've got other holsters that fit it before I got the optic though. Here are some photos of my CR Speed WSM II set up for my RIA Limited gun. I truncated the rail for the muzzle support. Originally, that rail is about 1.5" longer. I have another WSM II for my XDm 5.25 Limited gun which I also shortened. I've since built a budget Open gun with a 3-port comp on a XDm 4.5" barrel and, even with the shortened muzzle support rail, I was still able to move the support down low enough that the comp rests nicely on the support. I mention this in case you are wondering if the support rail will be long enough for your Open gun. Let me know if I can answer any questions or provide any more photos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Hey that looks like my holster, is it a different model for the XDM ? Or will same one work, right now a XDM 45 or a 6" 1911 is on my shopping list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhyrum Posted January 22, 2020 Author Share Posted January 22, 2020 Here are some photos of my CR Speed WSM II set up for my RIA Limited gun. I truncated the rail for the muzzle support. Originally, that rail is about 1.5" longer. I have another WSM II for my XDm 5.25 Limited gun which I also shortened. I've since built a budget Open gun with a 3-port comp on a XDm 4.5" barrel and, even with the shortened muzzle support rail, I was still able to move the support down low enough that the comp rests nicely on the support. I mention this in case you are wondering if the support rail will be long enough for your Open gun. Let me know if I can answer any questions or provide any more photos! My comp is quite long. I think 2 to 2.5 inches. Do you think, without trimming it, the cr speed would be long enough? 5" slideSent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBomber Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 I used a Safariland 011 and a CR Speed. The Safariland 014 should work just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N3WWN Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 19 hours ago, Joe4d said: Hey that looks like my holster, is it a different model for the XDM ? Or will same one work, right now a XDM 45 or a 6" 1911 is on my shopping list. Officially, there may be a different model of WSM II for the XDm, but I don't know. I had the holster already so I modified it to work with the XDm. The trigger gap wasn't wide enough just by removing all of the spacers, so I widened it myself. It's not entirely pretty, but it works great. (See photos below) 18 hours ago, nhyrum said: My comp is quite long. I think 2 to 2.5 inches. Do you think, without trimming it, the cr speed would be long enough? 5" slide Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk Much to my wife's chagrin, I keep everything, including the sawn off portion of the holster! I cut about 1.75" off the total length: Even after doing that, there's still about 5/8" longer adjustment available (it was hard to photograph for some reason...): Given that the support screw can be moved down about 2-1/4" and there's 5/8" more adjustability, I'd say you'd be fine with a 5" slide and up to 2.875" of comp. Even if the kerf of the blade that I used to cut it was thinner than I'm estimating, and there's only 2" + 5/8" adjustability, you'll likely be fine: Here's my XDm holster, also truncated: XDm OSP 4.5 with an AlphaWolf Compensator (approx 1-3/4" long The holster was actually cut for this XDm 5.25, which is why the muzzle support hangs a little low with the comp'd pistol: Here's what the trigger gap looks like now: It's not a pretty job, by any means, but works great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 sweet,, thanks Bro,,,, need to dig out all my old useless crud and sell it so I can buy new useless crud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrydoc Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 I'm running a PARA P16/.357 sig standard gun in a DAA Racemaster holster with a PARA insert, works in the Alpha X as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhyrum Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 I'm running a PARA P16/.357 sig standard gun in a DAA Racemaster holster with a PARA insert, works in the Alpha X as well.Yeah I just got an alpha x. My trigger guard was a little wide, but after modifying it, it fits great now. Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrydoc Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 must have been the difference between PARA and RIA, I know I had issues with a number of other brand holsters trying to get a good fit on different brands of 1911 as the trigger guards were of different dimensions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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