parabat Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) Hi all, Quick question, the canik elite combat is on the production allowed list, but it comes with a factory magwell..do i need to remove te magwell?or is it allowed,since it comes on the gun from the factory and its just on the list. The sig p320x5 is on the list but its says, " if the magwell is removed" it does not say that for the canik.. Anyone knows? Thanks, Edited December 14, 2019 by parabat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rnlinebacker Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Hi all, Quick question, the canik elite combat is on the production allowed list, but it comes with a factory magwell..do i need to remove te magwell?or is it allowed,since it comes on the gun from the factory and its just on the list. The sig p320x5 is on the list but its says, " if the magwell is removed" it does not say that for the canik.. Anyone knows? Thanks,Yes you must remove magwell for production. Otherwise, you'll be bumped to openSent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
race1911 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 On 12/14/2019 at 12:10 PM, Rnlinebacker said: "Yes you must remove magwell for production. Otherwise, you'll be bumped to open" Here's the rule: IPSC Handgun Rulebook Appendix D4: Production Division....Special Conditions: 17.1 ...Other prohibited modifications include those which facilitate faster reloading (eg racking or cocking handles, flared, enlarged and/or add-on magwells etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parabat Posted December 17, 2019 Author Share Posted December 17, 2019 Thanks, i was curious because with the x5 it specificaly mentions " with magwell removed" it doenst do that with the combat elite..but ill guess it will have to go off then.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yondering Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 On 12/15/2019 at 6:33 PM, race1911 said: Here's the rule: IPSC Handgun Rulebook Appendix D4: Production Division....Special Conditions: 17.1 ...Other prohibited modifications include those which facilitate faster reloading (eg racking or cocking handles, flared, enlarged and/or add-on magwells etc.) I've got no dog in this fight, but am curious - is a factory-installed magwell on a production model considered a modification? It doesn't seem that it would fit the definition of a modification or an "add-on" magwell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
race1911 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) Simply put: guns on the Production Approved List without any magwells are allowed..........IF you wish you can always arbitrate it for the $100 fee but you will most definitely lose not only the arbitration, but your hundred bucks also Edited December 20, 2019 by race1911 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yondering Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Maybe there is another rule on that somewhere? Per the rule you cited, there is certainly a good argument for allowing factory built pistols with magwells included, since they are neither modifications or add-ons. That is per the wording of the rule, but maybe there's an unwritten interpretation of it that fits what you said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rnlinebacker Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Oh gosh here starts the reinventing the rule bookSent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yondering Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 40 minutes ago, Rnlinebacker said: Oh gosh here starts the reinventing the rule book Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk Reinventing? No, I'm asking about a direct interpretation of the rule as it is written. That is the opposite of reinventing it. I'm also asking if there is another rule that covers this. What the rule quoted above says and what race1911 said are not the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parabat Posted December 26, 2019 Author Share Posted December 26, 2019 And with some guns it says on the list "with magwell removed" doenst say that for the canik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohanntheHorrible Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 If it is not prohibited it is allowed. Mine stays on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishu Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 (edited) As a new owner of this gun I was searching for this exact question to verify my own understanding of the rules. My interpretation of the rules is that the magwell extension on the gun is allowed. I'm reading the rules as a range officer (RO). 1. it comes installed from the factory thereby making it original part and stantard equipment 2. magwells are prohibited as modifications. Modification means a change to the stantard equipment/original parts. The wording does not expressly prohibit magwells, only if it is achieved as a modification to the stantard layout. 3. The elite combat comes with a racking handle mountable on the optics plate, however this type of racking handles are separately prohibited without leaving any doubts. Magwells could and should have been expressly prohibited if it was so desired. However there are guns where the flared magwell is made into the body (e.g. Glock Gen 5). In comparison Glock's flared magwell is much better than Canik's, where the detachable part offers little advantage over the existing flaring in the body. It's actually better at improving grip on the gun than for inserting mags. Edited October 1, 2021 by Fishu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tt350z Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 What list are you guys looking at? Magwell must be removed straight from the USPSA website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrydoc Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 IPSC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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