Micro Roni

[dwzuspsa]

I was surfing youtube and came across the micro roni-anyone have any experience with this item?  Thought it might be applicable for PCC,

[TonytheTiger]

33 minutes ago, dwzuspsa said:

Thought it might be applicable for PCC,

In USPSA? Its still a pistol, so no.

[perttime]

USPSA rules, Appendix D8:

6 Must have stock attached and be capable of being fired from shoulder position

•Note: Sig Brace and any variant thereof is not allowed

•Handgun to carbine conversions are allowed, provided they meet the criteria above. (See Special Conditions)

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Special Conditions:

1.Short Barreled Rifles (SBR’s) are permitted provided that the competitor is in full compliance with all state and federal laws and regulations concerning ownership and transport of the SBR.

2.Handgun to carbine conversions are allowed as long as the conversion is shot in PCC division, and meets the criteria in #6.

https://uspsa.org/documents/rules/2019_USPSA_Competition_Rules.pdf

Legislation might interfere but not the rules.

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IPSC:

5.1.10 The firearm must be fitted with a stock enabling it to be fired from the shoulder

https://www.ipsc.org/pdf/RulesPCC.pdf

Conversions are not mentioned -> they are not prohibited.

[CPD7119]

They can't be used for PCC as stated above but they are fun. Ive got one with a folding stock. I wish there was a bit more space between my shoulder and the grip but it's just a plinker to mess around with.

[perttime]

2 hours ago, CPD7119 said:

They can't be used for PCC as stated above but they are fun. Ive got one with a folding stock. I wish there was a bit more space between my shoulder and the grip but it's just a plinker to mess around with.

 

Why? The rules that I quoted specifically allow them.

[1981Shooter]

4 hours ago, perttime said:

 

Why? The rules that I quoted specifically allow them.

It would be allowed if you got the NFA version with a stock and SBR'd it, but they are a pistol brace and specifically not allowed.

[CPD7119]

6 hours ago, perttime said:

 

Why? The rules that I quoted specifically allow them.

Just like the guy above ms said. If you go the sbr route you're fine but the brace version is a no go. I should have specified. I just figured it would be a hassle to sbr one of those.

[perttime]

So, USPSA allows it but US (and local?) legislations makes it difficult.

[TonytheTiger]

10 hours ago, perttime said:

So, USPSA allows it but US (and local?) legislations makes it difficult.

No. Its a pistol with a pistol brace. So still a pistol and not allowed in PCC. 

[perttime]

11 hours ago, TonytheTiger said:

No. Its a pistol with a pistol brace. So still a pistol and not allowed in PCC. 

 

Take a look at what USPSA rules say.

 

edit:

It doesn't look like a "brace". It is a stock. Pretty slim but still a stock, even on the Micro, not to speak about the full size Roni.

Edited December 17, 2019 by perttime

[TonytheTiger]

The upper picture is the MICRO RONI® (NFA ITEM) which is legally in an entirely different category from the standard Micro Roni. That one would be allowed, although I have no idea why someone would SBR a pistol with some plastic bolted on, much less use it in a match.

[Eric802]

A good many of the pistol braces out there now "look" like stocks.  Unless it's a registered SBR, though, you've got a pistol with a brace (or a felony).  

[Chillywig]

Here's another my buddy said story...

 

I had toyed with the idea getting one. LGS has a part time employee who is full time PD. He said their department tested them and they began having reliably issues in a rather short time frame. Based on this and since I am not a glock fan boy I went another direction. Lots of good PCC options out there - braced, SBR or carbine 

[perttime]

This is a twist of legislation.

On my side of the world, a Roni is just an accessory to a pistol. The pistol is still a pistol if you can install and remove the accessory without tools. A Roni or Micro Roni would be the cheapest way to try PCC if you already have a compatible pistol.

 

A rifle or carbine is easier to get in terms of bureacracy, here, as long as you have at least 30 cm / 12" of barrel, and it cannot be fired at a length of less than 60 cm /24".

[TonytheTiger]

7 hours ago, perttime said:

This is a twist of legislation.

On my side of the world, a Roni is just an accessory to a pistol. The pistol is still a pistol if you can install and remove the accessory without tools. 

Well yes, it's all legal differences but you kinda make my point for me. A pistol with the Micro Roni with pistol brace is still legally a pistol. Which also makes it unable to compete in PCC, because its a pistol. A pistol with the stock version of the Roni is legally a long gun and can be used in PCC. But in the US its also in the Short Barreled Rifle category which is regulated similar to suppressors and requires more red tape than most people here are willing to deal with to turn a pistol into a not great and regulated rifle.

[perttime]

6 hours ago, TonytheTiger said:

Well yes, it's all legal differences but you kinda make my point for me. A pistol with the Micro Roni with pistol brace is still legally a pistol. Which also makes it unable to compete in PCC, because its a pistol. A pistol with the stock version of the Roni is legally a long gun and can be used in PCC. But in the US its also in the Short Barreled Rifle category which is regulated similar to suppressors and requires more red tape than most people here are willing to deal with to turn a pistol into a not great and regulated rifle.

 

Which kinda makes my point. USPSA allows it but US legislation makes it difficult.

[TonytheTiger]

Well we've thoroughly talked in circles here, @dwzuspsa were you looking at the pistol brace or stock variant? We have ti know that before we can actually answer your question.

[dwzuspsa]

I have the  MCK micro conversion kit by CAA USA....wish I could put up pictures but I don't have that capability.  Lenny Mcgill is were I first saw it.  They are a hought to shoot though.

 

 

[TonytheTiger]

21 hours ago, dwzuspsa said:

I have the  MCK micro conversion kit by CAA USA....wish I could put up pictures but I don't have that capability.  Lenny Mcgill is were I first saw it.  They are a hought to shoot though.

 

 

So this is what you have?

 

[dwzuspsa]

Yes it is....emailed USPSA NROI and the MCK is not legal for PCC competition....just wanted official verification  for something we already knew.  Too bad they are really fun to shoot and would be a good starter for young shooters.

[perttime]

Looks like a brace. So: no-go.