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Hi all,

 

I was wondering what the most common used grip pressure is..

 

I read brian's book and it made perfect sense, i can rely most of it right back to me, the only thing that "confuses" me is his point about grip pressure, brian talks about have the gun fairly loose.

 

Yet ben stoeger uses a death grip with his support hand, now when i use the "death grip" with my support  hand it really works wonders for me. If i grip the gun a bit looser with my support hand i immidiatly see my groups getting bigger when shooting a bill drill for example.

 

now i know that i should use what works for me, but i was just wondering, since almost everything in brians book makes sense to me,and is really well thought out and working for me.

 

Is it because stuff has evolved a bit? That the support hand death grip is a common used thing nowadays? Or am i able to get the same results by loosing up a bit and just training with it?

 

My gun really seems to rise way higher and shots open up with brians technique, yet with a death/crush grip if i really focus on gripping the gun hard my shots are almost alway right next to each other..

 

Any thoughts?

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It's been a while since I've read Brian's book, but wasn't he talking about holding the gun neutrally? Holding it loosely isn't what I took away from his discussion.

Use the search function, this very thing has been discussed many times.

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One of my instructors split it up as 70 percent weak, 30 percent strong.  When I tightened up my weak hand the dot on my open gun was much more trackable.  It went straight up and back down to poi as opposed to wiggling all over the place before settling back.  

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Use what works for you. I find that when I death grip anything my results go down.

 

i wouldn’t describe my preference as a loose grip, but I try to remind myself to relax my grip, because I tend to tense up and everything goes to crap then

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Death grip to the point of shaking is what throws  aim off for me. Hard grip just this side of shaking is my sweet spot.

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I prefer about 60-40...40% with strong hand, 60% with weak. Your fingers of your weak hand should be squeezing the fingers of your strong hand, while the heel of the thumb of the weak hand should be pressing into the grip, thumbs parallel to the barrel, on top of each other, beside the slide.

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Brian talks about a relaxed grip, not a loose grip. Also he says hold it like you would a hammer, personally I grip a hammer pretty tight. This caused me some confusion for a while too until I understood the difference between tense and relaxed is totally different from tight and loose.

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I grip as hard as possible, without shaking, with my support hand and with my dominant hand i grip as hard as i can while keeping my index finger loose. 

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Things have changed over the years. Shooters have gotten faster and better. Techniques have undergone two decades of refinement and experimentation since Brian was active.

 

Guys like Vogel and @CHA-LEE are out there gripping the gun tight as hell, and nowdays GMs are shooting faster and more accurately than anyone has in history.

 

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As you might know, Brian has big hands and probably significantly stronger than average. Also, Bob Vogel and Charlie Perez are gifted (and/or developed) in the hand size-strength area.  So what feels like a comfortable grip for them, might require a lot more effort for other people to imitate.

 

Even just long fingers with average strength is an advantage, since leverage is in that person's favor.

 

The ability to clamp down hard on the gun is most definitely advantageous, no one really disputes that.  I personally do better when I consistently grip the gun hard.

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Brian just posted  good article on his blog about the neutral grip. 

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The best way grip has been expanded to me is trap the upper half of the grip and put pressure like your trying to spead apart a horseshoe. The slide is what is causing recoil if to can mitigate the movement on the upper half of the frame you can get on target faster for follow up shots

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On 12/7/2019 at 5:50 AM, parabat said:

 

 

My gun really seems to rise way higher and shots open up with brians technique, yet with a death/crush grip if i really focus on gripping the gun hard my shots are almost alway right next to each other..

 

Any thoughts?

Forget the "neutral" grip. You are trying to control and limit a violent movement.   The only way to do that is with force, and the more force the better the control.  It's a super simple concept.  And definitely check out CHALEE's book, I wish I had a book like that when I first started.  It would have saved me years of trying to figure certain things out slowly on my own.    

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On 12/20/2019 at 6:40 PM, CHA-LEE said:

I discuss Grip extensively in my book Path of Focused Effort.........

 

https://bigpandaperformance.com/store-1/path-of-focused-effort-a-learning-guide-for-practical-shooting-1

 

The Big Panda states that the very best shooters have very powerful grips - both hands.

 

Using a measuring device (not estimating based on guesses), he finds that 100 LBS of pressure,

with each hand, is The Best way to go.  Anything less, and you are not going to get the best results.

 

No where what I've been doing, but I'm going to try to get as close as possible in 2020 - makes a

Lot of Sense to me.

 

 :) 

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22 minutes ago, obsessiveshooter said:

Forget the "neutral" grip. You are trying to control and limit a violent movement.   The only way to do that is with force, and the more force the better the control.  It's a super simple concept.  And definitely check out CHALEE's book, I wish I had a book like that when I first started.  It would have saved me years of trying to figure certain things out slowly on my own.    

One of the big take-aways from Big Panda's video on this subject is to measure grip on your strong hand with the trigger finger extended out straight. I don't have a dynamometer to measure grip strength but with the grip strength exerciser that I use I always grip it with my trigger finger extended and occasionally will pause to make sure I can "pull the trigger" without altering the grip portion in that hand.

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I'm sorry, I should step back from what I just wrote.   I went back and re-read what Brian had to say and, in fact, what he is saying and what CHALEE is saying are not at odds at all.  Brian says about the grip he advocates, "It is as hard as I can grip without awakening the death of tension."   Another way of saying, "Absolutely crush the pistol while still making sure your trigger finger works".   

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