racerba Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, bret said: Obviously he has taken more than one step. Not a obvious as you would like it to be... I'll concede that he has taken more than one step already...but was his finger in the trigger that whole time? Has he taken (or will he take) more than one step in the other direction with his finger in the trigger guard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bret Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, racerba said: Not a obvious as you would like it to be... I'll concede that he has taken more than one step already...but was his finger in the trigger that whole time? Has he taken (or will he take) more than one step in the other direction with his finger in the trigger guard? sure he takes his finger on and off the trigger while moving, I have a bridge for sale if you are interested paypal me the money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racerba Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 payment sent...I sent you extra...please send the difference in form of cash... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racerba Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, bret said: sure he takes his finger on and off the trigger while moving, I have a bridge for sale if you are interested paypal me the money... seriously though - you cannot make a call based on this picture alone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Thomas H said: Not the ones I've seen. See and I thought the key to this stage was keeping the gun up, and aiming at the target so as soon as you have a foot down in the next box you could break the shot. I wounder what the super squad guys do then. Or is it just to hard to tell exactly when they get on the trigger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 hour ago, racerba said: seriously though - you cannot make a call based on this picture alone... obvious troll is obviously trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Racinready300ex said: See and I thought the key to this stage was keeping the gun up, and aiming at the target so as soon as you have a foot down in the next box you could break the shot. I wounder what the super squad guys do then. Or is it just to hard to tell exactly when they get on the trigger? Sounds like a procedural. You need more than a foot down in the next box, you need your other foot to not be down outside the box. It takes almost no time to get your finger in the trigger guard. You can already be aiming, and then when your foot is in the air on its way to the box you can get on the trigger and be ready to shoot as soon as your other foot is off the ground. Edited November 20, 2019 by motosapiens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racerba Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 47 minutes ago, motosapiens said: obvious troll is obviously trolling. this is the reason why pictures and videos cannot be used in arbitration... it is basically 2 steps from one box to the other...at that moment in time, you cannot reasonably call a DQ based on the picture alone... You cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he had his finger inside the trigger guard the whole time...or for more than one step... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racerba Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) 51 minutes ago, motosapiens said: Sounds like a procedural. You need more than a foot down in the next box, you need your other foot to not be down outside the box. It takes almost no time to get your finger in the trigger guard. You can already be aiming, and then when your foot is in the air on its way to the box you can get on the trigger and be ready to shoot as soon as your other foot is off the ground. you can also break a shot as soon as your foot is off the ground...your second foot does not need to be in the box for you to make a legal shot without a procedural... BTW - this guy's total time was a second faster than 2nd place...so that almost no time makes an obvious difference... Edited November 20, 2019 by racerba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas H Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Racinready300ex said: See and I thought the key to this stage was keeping the gun up, and aiming at the target so as soon as you have a foot down in the next box you could break the shot. I wounder what the super squad guys do then. Or is it just to hard to tell exactly when they get on the trigger? Not that I've noticed, no. If you are on their strong side, it isn't hard to tell when they get on the trigger either. Having the gun up and being aimed on the next target when you get a foot down in the next box, yes. Keeping the gun in both hands (if a handgun) and pointed at the next target (PCC or not) during the entire movement from box to box in Outer Limits? Not at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, racerba said: you can also break a shot as soon as your foot is off the ground...your second foot does not need to be in the box for you to make a legal shot without a procedural... that's what i said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racerba Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, motosapiens said: that's what i said. yes, you did - my fault... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nasty618 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 I saw a few interesting shots in the USPSA Facebook LoCap Nats photo album... here are a couple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outerlimits Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 c'man guys-it's embarrassing enuf to get caught shooting a rifle at a pistol match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egd5 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 About as embarrassing as not knowing that steel challenge is not only a pistol match. Sorry--couldn't resist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyScuba Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 I seriously did not expect to laugh when I first started reading this thread. wonders will never cease Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, motosapiens said: Sounds like a procedural. You need more than a foot down in the next box, you need your other foot to not be down outside the box. It takes almost no time to get your finger in the trigger guard. You can already be aiming, and then when your foot is in the air on its way to the box you can get on the trigger and be ready to shoot as soon as your other foot is off the ground. Edit had to read that again, I assumed you were saying both feet needed to be down. Obviously you can't have a foot down outside. Your post basically says nothing Edited November 20, 2019 by Racinready300ex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Thomas H said: Not that I've noticed, no. If you are on their strong side, it isn't hard to tell when they get on the trigger either. Having the gun up and being aimed on the next target when you get a foot down in the next box, yes. Keeping the gun in both hands (if a handgun) and pointed at the next target (PCC or not) during the entire movement from box to box in Outer Limits? Not at all. I don't recall saying that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwray Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 you cannot determine the validity of the DQ based on this picture alone...Photographic and video evidence is NOT acceptable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 2 hours ago, mwray said: Photographic and video evidence is NOT acceptable agreed. Hearsay evidence is usually better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas H Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, Racinready300ex said: I don't recall saying that. You said, and I quote: "See and I thought the key to this stage was keeping the gun up, and aiming at the target " ...considering the person in the OP is just outside of the first box, and moving to the second, and that was the topic at hand, you DIDN'T mean keeping the gun up and aiming at the target? You meant what I said, which was "having the gun up and being aimed on the next target when you get a foot down in the next box"? ....because that isn't what you said. Ok. Edited November 21, 2019 by Thomas H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 I enjoyed seeing all the finger in the trigger during a reload pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bret Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 2 hours ago, rowdyb said: I enjoyed seeing all the finger in the trigger during a reload pictures. I get a lot of them but don't post them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ming the Merciless Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Post them over on Doodie! That place has been a ghost town for months. Be sure to post face shots with the finger on the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nasty618 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) i tried to remove most identifiable details, but anyone who wants to know can easily find these pics online in their full form... and when they do, be shocked at the level of performers But i think you all have seen more than a few of these "RO missed DQ" pics and videos posted by the USPSA on their social media. I mean if it wasnt called at the match, at this point who cares? Maybe some remedial training for the ROs, otherwise - just peer shaming? Personally, I would want to know for myself if i were doing it - so that i could fix a critical error like this and avoid being called on it in the future. Edited November 22, 2019 by nasty618 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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