Tok36 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 This thing showed up here, on Calguns and the Original CZ forum all at about the same time. I think they call that a pistol bomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mdooz Posted October 21, 2019 Author Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, 1911vm said: do they have a release date ?. i need to know how much time i have to save for one in both compact and full size All I see is 2020 so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpaw Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 in gun manufacturer language that means 2021 Maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
858 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 All I see going for it is cheap mags. Otherwise I'd rather have a built 2011 or a TSO. Mixing a 2011 with a CZ75 is a big waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-wal Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 This looks like it could be a great value for a limited blaster. I'm definitely tempted to try one since I'm currently saving for a new gun. Does anybody have experience running the .40 P09 mags? Can they get 20-21 in a 140mm tube? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheby Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Perhaps, I am wrong since I did not see this gun yet but I think this is a solution without a problem. I have shot CZ SAO guns in USPSA Limited a LOT. The triggers on all my CZ TSOs were amazing. That is not where CZs (Not only BTW) were lacking. I am shooting a 2011 now not because it has a better trigger. As a matter of fact, the TSO's trigger is better. However, the 2011 tracks noticeably better in recoil. When I was shooting tight targets I was surprised how fast my gun was returning back to the targets. It probably does not really matter for the 90% targets in the most of the shooting sports though. The price of course is hard to beat comparing to any decent 2011s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 If it truly will hold 21+1 of 40 in legal length mags that don't have to be constantly tuned that right there is a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obsessiveshooter Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 I really dig this, and would look at this first if my cz TS were to die. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudukai13 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Good to see a manufacturer trying something new/innovative. I for one am also thrilled to see the continuing trend of abolishing delineations between what are traditionally thought of as strictly competition platforms and strictly duty/carry platforms - Offering this in both a fullsize version and a compact version means they’re recognizing that all the parts and philosophies that give you an advantage in competition gives you the same advantage in a defensive scenario. This will surely be something to watch going forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EarlKeese Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 46 minutes ago, rowdyb said: If it truly will hold 21+1 of 40 in legal length mags that don't have to be constantly tuned that right there is a win. Huge cost difference in mags compared to the 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPENB Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) So does it actually contain 1911 fire control parts? The trigger and ambi definitely look 1911. Firing pin safety or not? Edited October 22, 2019 by OPENB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 I'm sure this is a cool pistol design, but y'all need to get on the same sheet of music. There are like 4+ threads going about this same pistol....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudukai13 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, OPENB said: So does it actually contain 1911 fire control parts? The trigger and ambi definitely look 1911. Firing pin safety or not? Product page refers to “...many standard 1911 parts enable gunsmiths and competitive shooters to tune the X just the way they like it”, so that would imply at least some of the parts are standard 1911 components. They explicitly state it’s compatible with CZ75 grip panels and magwells too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudukai13 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, RangerTrace said: I'm sure this is a cool pistol design, but y'all need to get on the same sheet of music. There are like 4+ threads going about this same pistol....... Nobody can figure out how to categorize it, that’s why there are multiple threads in different subsections. Which is kind of the point of the pistol itself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 i live in 10rd state to spend $100++ per magazine on a 10 rd 2011 mag i refuse . i can get 3 P09 mags for the same price. i wish they would put a few videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superpipe9 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 3 hours ago, robchavous said: It's been confirmed they will hold 21 with Henning basepads. Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk Yep. I asked Henning and he did say the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpcorps Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Looks like a great new product - can't wait to fondle one in person! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuey Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 I want one, I cannot wait till they are at my LGS.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aandabooks Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Since I saw this about 6 hours ago and checked out the website. Looks very interesting but I have just a couple reservations. 1. I have been a long time CZ shooter across many divisions. (SP01, S2, TS, TSO, Czechmate and others) I'm very used to the hinged triggers that CZ has. I recently picked up an Atlas and have been trying to adjust to the 1911 style trigger. This so far has been a struggle with a bit of a learning curve. While the grip here is very CZ, I worry that the trigger will be an issue with just transitioning over. 2. I would want to see how many of the fire control parts are 1911/2011 standard. If there are a couple of proprietary parts in there and this gun does not take off will parts be available? 3. Is the 1911 trigger really an advantage over the TSO/Czechmate SA trigger? Taking out the switching but just comparing triggers to which is better. On the plus side, it looks really cool, easily changeable grips unlike a 2011, magazines should be cheaper, way cheaper than a comparable STI and getting rid of the barrel link will be a plus for breakage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 what makes it better than a tac sport? Is it just the 1911 trigger shape that some people like? I competed with a tac sport for a while and I would gladly take that trigger and put it on my high-dollar 2011. The trigger was one of the most effective parts of the tac sport for me. I just find my 2011 returns the sights quicker. Perhaps with a little judicious tuning and slide-lightening I could get a tac-sport to do the same, but I tried a 2011 that I liked and just bought the same thing and called it good. I see now that Cheby expresses the same thoughts above.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aandabooks Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, motosapiens said: what makes it better than a tac sport? Is it just the 1911 trigger shape that some people like? I competed with a tac sport for a while and I would gladly take that trigger and put it on my high-dollar 2011. The trigger was one of the most effective parts of the tac sport for me. I just find my 2011 returns the sights quicker. Perhaps with a little judicious tuning and slide-lightening I could get a tac-sport to do the same, but I tried a 2011 that I liked and just bought the same thing and called it good. I see now that Cheby expresses the same thoughts above.... I posted in the other thread thinking much the same. I picked up and Atlas because I got curious about the 2011. Shot 2 matches with it and a bit of practice. The PT Evo grip has some contour to it but not as much customization as the TSO/Czechmate. Couldn't stand the plastic 2011 grip. The Atlas does return nice but not that much better than the TSO. I'll need to shelve the CZs for quite a while to truly get a handle on the 2011 trigger. I don't know that the juice is worth the squeeze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamj Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 This looks awesome. I think I'm more interested in the compact version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyfeet Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Are the frame rails 1911 style or cz style...that would make a difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superpipe9 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 5 hours ago, rowdyb said: If it truly will hold 21+1 of 40 in legal length mags that don't have to be constantly tuned that right there is a win. The TSO already does this. The DWX still is interesting though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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