Midwest3Gunner Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 I think that's a question for Yigal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajohnson15 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 2 hours ago, Midwest3Gunner said: Maybe they are using recycled Skodas A lot harder to source recycled skoda in the US. As mentioned, only cz produced parts here are the rear sight on the full size, slide stop spring, extractor spring, and of course the magazines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) I assume who ever makes the slide for DW is making that. CZ are not making the frame? Edited February 5, 2020 by 1911vm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwest3Gunner Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 23 minutes ago, Ajohnson15 said: A lot harder to source recycled skoda in the US. As mentioned, only cz produced parts here are the rear sight on the full size, slide stop spring, extractor spring, and of course the magazines. Thanks for the reclarification, can't wait to take one apart and tinker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimcz Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 I am thinking of the compact version for steel challenge carry optics class. Being an alloy frame , what is it like 30 oz.. great for fast draw and transitions. Great ergos , trigger and I'm sure very accurate ! Sign me up ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajohnson15 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, Shmella said: so all the hype over this is basically from limited shooters or someone trying to get into limited cheaper than a 2011? I just dont understand what this gun does for people besides cool factor of mashing a cz and 1911 together to make something new. Idk if there has really been hype passed what the people have speculated on themselves. Realistically the only officially distributed information has been: An announcement press release A few instagram and facebook photos Shot show interviews with CZ-USA. Certainly no glock 44, Springfield armory saint, hudson h9, etc. Level Hype build ups. As far as what it does. At the moment without it being in public hands most of it is speculation. What can be said for sure however though is: -It provides a 1911 fire control system in a package that feels very much like a cz. (What benefit there is to a 1911 system over the cz 75 series fcg is chiefly subjective, but it can at least be irrefutabley said that there is a far greater aftermarket for components, knowledge pool and Smiths available when it comes to the 1911 trigger system compared with the 75 series at least in the US.) -trying to stay away from subjectivity as much as possible, but I will say control geometry/ position is quite a bit more friendly to more hand sizes than any 2011 frame I've yet to handle. Magazine catch, slide stop and safety are all easy to manipulate without changing grip position for pretty much all but the very smallest hands and having grip panels does make finding something with the perfect contours quite a bit easier and cheaper than figuring out what 2011 grip will feel right (though the henning grips he made specifically to match the slightly different contours of the model are damn hard to beat for feel and grip) -again comparing to 2011 style guns, a reversible magazine catch is standard here in comparison and ALL magazines available feature catch positions for both sides (looking at you MBX) -cheaper mags (that if you will take my word for it, really do run great), given if you put pads and guts in everyone you buy, ya the cost savings isnt as significant, but I'd say just the simple opportunity to have cheap stock configuration spares is nice. -while the full size frame of the dwx and slide height/bore axis is built around geometry of the .40 s&w (rather than 45 acp as in 2011's giving it a bore axis about .100" lower). Slide stroke length is actually kept at the longer 1911/2011 distant rather than the shorter stroke length used in the tso or shadow 2. Is there an objective benefit? Idk but it sure feels nice. -it's already been said quite a few places, but a advantage this has over other new to market designs is a good sized aftermarket already available by keeping compatibility with commonly customized/ tuned components from the 75 series and 1911s. -just like every dan wesson 1911, every part of the dwx is machined from billet or forging (not to say there is anything wrong with castings or mim, but in a product of this nature and quality expectation, I dont really care for the cost saving manufacturing technologies too much) -lastly, (and after realizing this post is already wayyyy too long for the average attention span) talking a little bit about grip geometry (definitely starting to get into the subjective/hypish territory here, but as one of my favorite features I do have to mention it) the combination of a 75ish beavertail/backstrap geometry, the very high undercut of under the trigger guard allowed by the 1911 trigger and p-10/p-09 mag catch position and the parallel to rails bore axis really do lend to a very natural pointing sight alignment and return to aim. Probably missed some other various "reasons you need another gun" but TLDR. really the most important things are A. It's a new gun and more guns in the world is always a good thing and B. It looks cool Edited February 5, 2020 by Ajohnson15 Typos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajohnson15 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, 1911vm said: I assume who ever makes the slide for DW is making that. CZ are not making the frame? Cz is not making the frames or slides, only the extractor spring, slide stop spring, rear sight for the full size and the firearm uses cz mags. The dwx frames are made from forgings. Eta. Mentioned a bit earlier in the thread, but this is very much a DW product with some CZ influence rather than the opposite. Edited February 5, 2020 by Ajohnson15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Midwest3Gunner said: I think that's a question for Yigal I have friends who have had an automatic Skoda Yeti with dual clutch gear . recently started to fall apart. Apparently there is a connection between the 2 factories in the Czech Republic and the Skodas now probably produce from shadow 2 recycled cracked frames. Edited February 5, 2020 by yigal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perttime Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 2 hours ago, yigal said: I have friends who have had an automatic Skoda Yeti with dual clutch gear . recently started to fall apart. Apparently there is a connection between the 2 factories in the Czech Republic.... Both made in the same country as Laugo Alien? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, perttime said: Both made in the same country as Laugo Alien? sorry my mistake.3 Now I know where the aliens landed And the price of $$$$ 5000 per unit is to repair their spaceship. Edited February 5, 2020 by yigal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 so the company that announced the gun almost 1 years ago and still not available. is making frames and slides for DWX? GREAT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fasthenk65 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 15 hours ago, Ajohnson15 said: Idk if there has really been hype passed what the people have speculated on themselves. Realistically the only officially distributed information has been: An announcement press release A few instagram and facebook photos Shot show interviews with CZ-USA. Certainly no glock 44, Springfield armory saint, hudson h9, etc. Level Hype build ups. As far as what it does. At the moment without it being in public hands most of it is speculation. What can be said for sure however though is: -It provides a 1911 fire control system in a package that feels very much like a cz. (What benefit there is to a 1911 system over the cz 75 series fcg is chiefly subjective, but it can at least be irrefutabley said that there is a far greater aftermarket for components, knowledge pool and Smiths available when it comes to the 1911 trigger system compared with the 75 series at least in the US.) -trying to stay away from subjectivity as much as possible, but I will say control geometry/ position is quite a bit more friendly to more hand sizes than any 2011 frame I've yet to handle. Magazine catch, slide stop and safety are all easy to manipulate without changing grip position for pretty much all but the very smallest hands and having grip panels does make finding something with the perfect contours quite a bit easier and cheaper than figuring out what 2011 grip will feel right (though the henning grips he made specifically to match the slightly different contours of the model are damn hard to beat for feel and grip) -again comparing to 2011 style guns, a reversible magazine catch is standard here in comparison and ALL magazines available feature catch positions for both sides (looking at you MBX) -cheaper mags (that if you will take my word for it, really do run great), given if you put pads and guts in everyone you buy, ya the cost savings isnt as significant, but I'd say just the simple opportunity to have cheap stock configuration spares is nice. -while the full size frame of the dwx and slide height/bore axis is built around geometry of the .40 s&w (rather than 45 acp as in 2011's giving it a bore axis about .100" lower). Slide stroke length is actually kept at the longer 1911/2011 distant rather than the shorter stroke length used in the tso or shadow 2. Is there an objective benefit? Idk but it sure feels nice. -it's already been said quite a few places, but a advantage this has over other new to market designs is a good sized aftermarket already available by keeping compatibility with commonly customized/ tuned components from the 75 series and 1911s. -just like every dan wesson 1911, every part of the dwx is machined from billet or forging (not to say there is anything wrong with castings or mim, but in a product of this nature and quality expectation, I dont really care for the cost saving manufacturing technologies too much) -lastly, (and after realizing this post is already wayyyy too long for the average attention span) talking a little bit about grip geometry (definitely starting to get into the subjective/hypish territory here, but as one of my favorite features I do have to mention it) the combination of a 75ish beavertail/backstrap geometry, the very high undercut of under the trigger guard allowed by the 1911 trigger and p-10/p-09 mag catch position and the parallel to rails bore axis really do lend to a very natural pointing sight alignment and return to aim. Probably missed some other various "reasons you need another gun" but TLDR. really the most important things are A. It's a new gun and more guns in the world is always a good thing and B. It looks cool very well said we should welcome any new gun aimed at the (small) competition market! recycled or not (who cares) my CZ's are fabulous as will this gun be, I want one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajohnson15 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 8 hours ago, 1911vm said: so the company that announced the gun almost 1 years ago and still not available. is making frames and slides for DWX? GREAT. October 24th 2019 was a year ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 There are videos of this gun on YouTube from a year ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajohnson15 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 hours ago, 1911vm said: There are videos of this gun on YouTube from a year ago. Oldest video i can find anywhere and official announcement occurred on Oct 21st 2019 (looks like I was off by a couple days) If you are seeing something different I would sure like a link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Ajohnson15 said: Oldest video i can find anywhere and official announcement occurred on Oct 21st 2019 (looks like I was off by a couple days) If you are seeing something different I would sure like a link do u have pic. of lower lug in this gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 7 hours ago, Ajohnson15 said: Oldest video i can find anywhere and official announcement occurred on Oct 21st 2019 (looks like I was off by a couple days) If you are seeing something different I would sure like a link Oct 2 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perttime Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 22 minutes ago, 1911vm said: Oct 2 2018 That video isn't about any DW, or even CZ, pistol. It is about the Laugo Alien. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, perttime said: That video isn't about any DW, or even CZ, pistol. It is about the Laugo Alien. Aliens are less torturing me. I've seen enough disqualified p7 m13 because of power factor loose with same mech. like this alien. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, perttime said: That video isn't about any DW, or even CZ, pistol. It is about the Laugo Alien. I miss read one of the posts. Both made in the same country as Laugo Alien? I thought it said the slide and frame was made by the same company that makes Alien. LOLOLOL Edited February 6, 2020 by 1911vm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bimmer1980 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 hours ago, 1911vm said: I miss read one of the posts. Both made in the same country as Laugo Alien? I thought it said the slide and frame was made by the same company that makes Alien. LOLOLOL As far as i did understand Matt Hopkins right, it´s a CZ/DanWesson. It´s a Shadow 2 Grip (or clone). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 That's what I thought also. I think its going to be a great Christmas present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawaiifivebro Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 It'd be really cool if the posts in the DWX thread could be about the DWX instead of other stuff, maybe it's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajohnson15 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, 1911vm said: I miss read one of the posts. Both made in the same country as Laugo Alien? I thought it said the slide and frame was made by the same company that makes Alien. LOLOLOL No, as mentioned before, the only parts made in the Czech republic are the rear sight, extractor spring, and slide stop spring and it uses cz mags. Otherwise this is a US gun. Edited February 7, 2020 by Ajohnson15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajohnson15 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 20 hours ago, yigal said: do u have pic. of lower lug in this gun? Lower barrel lug I presume? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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