rowdyb Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Looked at stages today. Every target has either a t shirt or a faux chest plate hard cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 You mean the PCC is not just the Easy Button on pistol targets like it usually is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOF Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Sounds like a reasonable COF selection to me if you want to run an all PCC match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanb Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Rowdy you got any pics of this? I’m always looking for new ways to present target arrays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 I do have a few pics. But they are kinda crap haha. And I think most the stages are same same exactly between pcc and pistol match other than the warm ups. Btw, I was 7th overall for pcc nats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver123 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Any word on the FTDR by seeklander and Leatham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted October 23, 2019 Author Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) I saw both in person. They couldn't physically do the prone shooting on a stage and just stood and shot. It was also a super retarded stage to be brutally honest. Lika few of them are just super super dumb. Edited October 23, 2019 by rowdyb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutchman195 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 38 minutes ago, rowdyb said: I saw both in person. They couldn't physically do the prone shooting on a stage and just stood and shot. It was also a super retarded stage to be brutally honest. Lika few of them are just super super dumb. Interesting only 93 people signed up and had 6 DQs. Also, whats up with that SS guy beating the Ms? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted October 24, 2019 Author Share Posted October 24, 2019 12 hours ago, Dutchman195 said: Interesting only 93 people signed up and had 6 DQs. Also, whats up with that SS guy beating the Ms? lol Walther doesn't make a pcc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 On 10/23/2019 at 6:19 AM, rowdyb said: I saw both in person. They couldn't physically do the prone shooting on a stage and just stood and shot. It was also a super retarded stage to be brutally honest. Lika few of them are just super super dumb. IDPA's requirements for "permanently disabled" shooters are absurd. USPSA's "penalty in lieu of performance" is the way to go. But how can you not be able to shoot prone? I can fall down and shoot, and have done so instead of kneeling on sore knees. It's just getting up that is the problem; which may not be on the clock anyhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBurgess Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 7 hours ago, Jim Watson said: IDPA's requirements for "permanently disabled" shooters are absurd. USPSA's "penalty in lieu of performance" is the way to go. But how can you not be able to shoot prone? I can fall down and shoot, and have done so instead of kneeling on sore knees. It's just getting up that is the problem; which may not be on the clock anyhow. I saw the stage in a video, it looked like you had to go prone and shoot through a "port" about 1' tall and it appeared you could not spread out side to side I am assuming for cover reasons, so if you can't tip your head back very far not being able to shoot in that position is very realistic, I have several shooters locally that have bad necks and have had an ear full about such positions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share Posted October 25, 2019 In the pcc match one stage was prone on strong side, the other was prone on weak side. You could not be flat on your belly like normal prone or procedural. Shoot over the top and ftdr. The stick we shot under was about 10" off the ground. And yes, you also could not get any lateral movement due to the limitations of the cover lines. Picture yourself standing, put the pcc on the top of your shoulder and then take aim straight into the sky. Now do that on your side and shoot. That was how most people ended up. Let alone the utter BS of shooting targets where the SO called your hits (silently!!!!) on a non reactive, non restoreable target and you had no idea your score until you stood up. Extremely poor. For some people taking the ftdr or the pe was much better score than struggling to do it right. Which means the stage is even more dumb, if a ftdr yields you a better score.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhgtyre Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 6 hours ago, rowdyb said: In the pcc match one stage was prone on strong side, the other was prone on weak side. You could not be flat on your belly like normal prone or procedural. Shoot over the top and ftdr. The stick we shot under was about 10" off the ground. And yes, you also could not get any lateral movement due to the limitations of the cover lines. Picture yourself standing, put the pcc on the top of your shoulder and then take aim straight into the sky. Now do that on your side and shoot. That was how most people ended up. Let alone the utter BS of shooting targets where the SO called your hits (silently!!!!) on a non reactive, non restoreable target and you had no idea your score until you stood up. Extremely poor. For some people taking the ftdr or the pe was much better score than struggling to do it right. Which means the stage is even more dumb, if a ftdr yields you a better score.... ...and this was a "national" match? Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 (edited) "World" I can see where a PE can be preferable to some of the contortions required to shoot through holes, but if there is a position that takes more than 20 seconds so you are better off with a FTDR, that is a bad stage. There was a prone stage there last year that was a real struggle, too. The CoF writer obviously has a hangup. Edited October 26, 2019 by Jim Watson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted October 26, 2019 Author Share Posted October 26, 2019 Pcc was national. Pistol is world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike4045 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Sounds like a match to miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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