BoyGlock Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 We Average and lesser shooters often emulate how fast (or sometimes how slow) shooters shoot before our turn specially in matches. And we often do it w/o knowing. Often the effect is trashed stages. When we shoot after shooters that had fast splits or pace, we tend to copy it knowingly or most of the time Unknowingly. Hence error filled performance. My personal experience and observation of others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 My first shoot (I'm an "old bullseye shooter"), was pretty slow, but I hit Everything. My 2nd shoot, I "emulated how fast" …. and missed a LOT. And, I've shot with bunch of guys who can't get it through their heads that there's a Big Difference between : 1. Hitting every thing as fast as you can, and 2. Shooting as fast as you can and Hoping you hit something. And, I still do a #2 on occasion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKnoch Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 I don’t even notice what the shooter ahead of me is doing when they shoot. I’m busy rehearsing my stage plan when on deck. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denato1 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 9 hours ago, DKnoch said: I don’t even notice what the shooter ahead of me is doing when they shoot. I’m busy rehearsing my stage plan when on deck. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Thats the best thing to be doing but for A lot of shooters they cannot help themselves to ignore the shooters before them. Yes their mental game is weaker then yours, It just means they need someone to explain it politely and hopefully with time they will adjust their preparation and be able to ignore whats around them. I personally try to completely black out 2 shooters before and just run my plan in my head visualizing each position of the stage. I have noticed that even for myself If a new or lower class shooter is before me and has a really choppy cadence or bunch of misses and makeups it is harder to ignore then when a good shooter is right before myself. That said I just reset the stage in my head and "run" it again. Visualization is Key to a smooth run, It takes Practice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyGlock Posted October 23, 2019 Author Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) Its quite normal and/or common to believe or think that one was not affected until unusual errors crop up in otherwise ordinary runs. Negative grip from draw, bungled reloads, trigger freeze, misses on close easy targets, etc. Edited October 23, 2019 by BoyGlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBurgess Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Shooting Revo in practice and matches with my Open shooting friends I find myself fighting this constantly. the worse part of this is the pace you (i) experience in my head while shooting is a illusion and normally a horribly inaccurate one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intheshaw1 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 There are 2 really good open shooters I shoot with. If I shoot after them I see myself shooting way to fast as compared to if I shoot before them. I'm really thinking about turning off my ear muffs and walking to another bay if it happens again next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Yep. it works the opposite way too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClangClang Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 22 minutes ago, waktasz said: Yep. it works the opposite way too Then it seems like the best thing is just volunteer to shoot first on every stage so you're not unduly influenced at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Not really optimal but I've done it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konkapot Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 If I shoot with legit Open shooters that audible "tempo" penetrates my brain and messes with my timing. Shooting with struggling/newer shooters also screws me up; sometimes they make a stage or an array look waaaaaay harder than it really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyScuba Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 I remember one classifier stage at a regional match where an A class then M class shooter shot it after lunch. I was next up and burned it down. Same rate of fire for sure. Hits...not so much. Lowest classifier in ages! OOooppps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunBugBit Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Yes we are. But I think most of us are reminded of how we shoot after the first couple of shots on a stage. We quickly go to our own familiar cadence. It takes a serious effort to break out of that. I find there are enough other distractions that I'm not very influenced by the pace of the open gun or PCC guy that shot just before me. I watch them shoot and KNOW I can't get away with that pace. I know my lane and I stay in it. Getting out of it is a bigger issue for me than being lulled into shooting as fast as the last guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3324temp Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 I never ever notice how the shooter before me shoots or the two after I shoot. For the shooter before me my mind is on the stage plan. For the two after I am loading mags, eating/drinking or using the restroom.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scroadkill Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 i intentionally avoid watching anyone once Im in the hole.. and take one more shooter to quickly clean any dropped mags and reload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDGlock23 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 I think it does at first at least, I see a lot of new guys try to go fast and do pretty bad, slowing down always helps them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mveto Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 When I shoot PCC I tend to pay attention to how fast other PCC shooters are shooting the stage especially if it’s a burner type of stage. Shooting Carry Optics I never really pay attention to how fast others have shot the stage, just focus on how I’m going to shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootmove Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 (edited) This emphasizes the importance of shooting at the speed of sight At the moment of shooting a match, our job is to call our shots, that's it. The time to get fast was in dry fire. You aren't going to reliably get faster in a match. The only thing you can reliably do in a match is shoot at your current level of skill. So if we shoot what we can see, then we don't have to worry about what other shooters did. A related mistake is shoot according to the cadence that you hear. That doesn't work either. Vision travels faster than hearing. So, although it's tempting and our mind loves rhythm, we shoot better if we shoot to what we see rather than what we hear. Edited December 26, 2019 by shootmove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_stw Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 For me its watching how they shoot the stage not really the speed per say, I've always shot faster than i should anyways lol. its mainly when a higher class shooter shoots before me. I figure there stage plan is better because there a better shooter so that makes me question my stage plan and i end up forgeting things. I will still try to shoot with better shooters than me anyways because in the end i learn a lot from them. I've been getting better though to not get effected by the people shooting before me. I just concentrate pretty hard on not forgeting the harder parts of a stage and usually that blocks out the shooter before me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjb45 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 You have to have the mental discipline not to pay attention. It is that simple, If you find yourself listening or watching stop it and go back to your game plan visualization especially, if your getting 'on deck, in the hole'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denato1 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 16 hours ago, pjb45 said: You have to have the mental discipline not to pay attention. It is that simple, If you find yourself listening or watching stop it and go back to your game plan visualization especially, if your getting 'on deck, in the hole'. This is the truth. I don't struggle with trying to match the other shooter so much these days as I struggle with ROs who ask you how you plan on running the stage or if you are gong to run x stage plan when you are making ready. That is what tends to get in my head and I usually end up mixing up the stage plans. I am working on excluding everything around me for at least 2 shooters before I go. It is all Mental management and learning to control what is in your Head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckie45 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Thinking about speed (fast or slow) is counter productive. Memorize you stage plan then focus on calling your shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angry Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 I found if I go first which I usually do if I mess up the flow on a stage most people that go after me do it the same way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kryo Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Shooting production, having an open shooter before me or while I'm on deck always makes me more open curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyGlock Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 Read stoeger Match Mentality. When next to shoot in a stage he ignore the shooter’s run to not mess w/ his. So even them on top are not immune to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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