Wiland PCC Barrel

[nso123]

I just put a Wiland USA PCC barrel on my AR9 and was able to shoot a match for the first time with it today. That little barrel is the real deal. It weighs 15oz and felt like I had put a pivot point on the rifle just in front of the mag well. This is a Steel Challenge gun, and it made it handle great. No affiliation with them, but they are a great bunch to deal with and produce a really nice product. 

[mellino19]

$165 is a decent price for a light barrel like that but how does it compare to other lightweight options such as Taccom, JP, and MBX in terms of accuracy? I know the JP and MBX are twice the price.

 

The Wiland looks like like a 4" barrel with a permanent shroud/extension so I see how they got under a pound so I suppose a Taccom would be it's closest competitor in terms of pricing and design.

[nso123]

I am not sure how it compares accuracy wise with the others, but mine has been very accurate with my Steel Challenge loads. One thing that I felt was good with Wiland is that they will chamber the barrel to you loads if you send them dummy rounds. I have a couple of matches shot with it now as well as some practice sessions and I could not be happier with its performance. 

[RickT]

On 10/14/2019 at 11:43 AM, mellino19 said:

$165 is a decent price for a light barrel like that but how does it compare to other lightweight options such as Taccom, JP, and MBX in terms of accuracy? I know the JP and MBX are twice the price.

 

The Wiland looks like like a 4" barrel with a permanent shroud/extension so I see how they got under a pound so I suppose a Taccom would be it's closest competitor in terms of pricing and design.

That's not what the barrel looks like in the website pictures.  Looks to be a monolithic, tapered barrel.  Am I missing something.  Thinking about this barrel for my PCC.

[nso123]

7 minutes ago, RickT said:

That's not what the barrel looks like in the website pictures.  Looks to be a monolithic, tapered barrel.  Am I missing something.  Thinking about this barrel for my PCC.

It is a 5.5 inch barrel with a 10.7 inch shroud if I am not mistaken. You can see on the barrel where it transitions from the rifled barrel to the shroud. I don't think you will be disappointed if you choose this barrel. 

[RickT]

56 minutes ago, nso123 said:

It is a 5.5 inch barrel with a 10.7 inch shroud if I am not mistaken. You can see on the barrel where it transitions from the rifled barrel to the shroud. I don't think you will be disappointed if you choose this barrel. 

I used the magnifier and I can see the transition.  It's very clever work and I did order one.  I'm a PCC hack (actually, at my age I'm also a SS hack), but the PCC is fun and I need every advantage I can get my hands on.  Ordered a Wiland for my wife's 10/22 as well.  Her stock KIDD rifle is great, but the 11 oz. 22lr barrel saves a ton of weight.

[MemphisMechanic]

@RickT one of the nice things about a short shrouded barrel is that you can use the same loads for Production and PCC without making a change.

 

What makes 133pf through a handgun is usually 140-145 in a 16” AR9.

 

Edited October 26, 2019 by MemphisMechanic

[RickT]

The load I'm currently using in my PCC is 145gr Bayout, 3.0gr SP, 1.12".  This makes (barely) 125 PF in my 9mm 1911.  Haven't chrono'ed in the PCC, but it cycles well with the RN bullet and OAL.  The CMMG is very soft with this load and might be softer in the fake 16" barrel?

[nso123]

My load would pick up about 15-18 PF between my production gun and my PCC with the 16" barrel. With the Wiland barrel I am back down to 130 and you can feel a difference in the recoil.  

[zzt]

I'm going with the LLW for just the reason the OP listed.  Also, it will be softer recoil.  The 115 @ 950 109PF load I plan to use gains 250fps in a 16" barrel.

[cecil]

I noticed that the Wiland barrel is not ramped according to the pictures... as is the Taccom 5.5" ULW barrel... is ramping a problem solver/advantage ?  

 

tia

[nso123]

13 minutes ago, cecil said:

I noticed that the Wiland barrel is not ramped according to the pictures... as is the Taccom 5.5" ULW barrel... is ramping a problem solver/advantage ?  

 

tia

I have not had any feeding issues with mine, so I am not sure that it is an issue.  I assume this could be platform specific.

[cecil]

the Wiland barrel has peaked my interest... anyone care to share some load info using 115gr & 124gr bullets ?? 

 

tia

[mellino19]

22 hours ago, cecil said:

I noticed that the Wiland barrel is not ramped according to the pictures... as is the Taccom 5.5" ULW barrel... is ramping a problem solver/advantage ?  

 

tia

 

If you're unsure of PCC barrels without a feed ramp, just get the Taccom glock lower feed ramp that you install into the upper. I installed one in my upper made with a spikes slick side AR15 and a JP barrel, haven't had a single malfunction since I put in the ramp.

[zzt]

22 hours ago, cecil said:

the Wiland barrel has peaked my interest... anyone care to share some load info using 115gr & 124gr bullets ?? 

 

tia

 

Here's one from Wiland.  124 poly coated bullet over 2.8gr 231.  He says it shoots like a pellet gun.

[nso123]

23 hours ago, cecil said:

the Wiland barrel has peaked my interest... anyone care to share some load info using 115gr & 124gr bullets ?? 

 

tia

I just worked u p a load with 115 Berry's round nose and 4.0 gr of Sport Pistol.  It feels really light.  I am going to try it in a match Saturday and will have more feedback. 

[tomv]

On 10/30/2019 at 9:25 AM, cecil said:

I noticed that the Wiland barrel is not ramped according to the pictures... as is the Taccom 5.5" ULW barrel... is ramping a problem solver/advantage ?  

 

tia

Tim cut the ramp off my Taccom 9mm barrel because I'm using a Stern Defense mag adapter which has its own built in ramp.

[mellino19]

On 10/31/2019 at 9:31 AM, nso123 said:

I just worked u p a load with 115 Berry's round nose and 4.0 gr of Sport Pistol.  It feels really light.  I am going to try it in a match Saturday and will have more feedback. 

 

any follow up to this?

[nso123]

3 hours ago, mellino19 said:

 

any follow up to this?

I have shot the new load in two matches so far, and it has worked well. Almost no dot bounce at all.  I think it may be possible to soften it up just a tad more without slowing cycling down, but I don't want to make any other changes until I move to the next classification.  I am just over a second from master, and have cut over 3 seconds since changing the load. 

[RickT]

115gr Acme, 3.0gr Sport Pistol, 1.11" OAL will cycle with the Taccom Extreme bolt and 3-stage buffer.  3.0gr is on the edge so after I run through a few hundred rounds I'll be loading 3.1gr.  Recoil is, to say the least, minimal and great for steel challenge.  I can't go any longer with the Acme bullets, but I've got some new cases that I'll use to experiment with OAL; my current lot of cases are worn out. 

 

Replaced AR-15  lower/Endomags with Foxtrot Mike lower/Glock mags.  Endomags cycled 100% but having to use empty mag to eject a chambered round was a bit inconvenient.

Edited January 10, 2020 by RickT

[nso123]

12 hours ago, RickT said:

115gr Acme, 3.0gr Sport Pistol, 1.11" OAL will cycle with the Taccom Extreme bolt and 3-stage buffer.  3.0gr is on the edge so after I run through a few hundred rounds I'll be loading 3.1gr.  Recoil is, to say the least, minimal and great for steel challenge.  I can't go any longer with the Acme bullets, but I've got some new cases that I'll use to experiment with OAL; my current lot of cases are worn out. 

 

Replaced AR-15  lower/Endomags with Foxtrot Mike lower/Glock mags.  Endomags cycled 100% but having to use empty mag to eject a chambered round was a bit inconvenient.

I have backed my load down to 3.2 grains of  Sport Pistol with the 115 Berry's. It is a 104PF and cycles perfectly. There are quite a few guys around here shooting a 95 grain bullet now. I may try some of those at some point when I run low on the 115s.