DKorn Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Just now, StealthyBlagga said: At an L1, assuming it’s a new shooter needing coachng, I’d approach the RO and ask in a loud voice: “Do I have your permission to tell the shooter he forgot his magazines?” (my reaction if I was the RO) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 In light of the recent article from NROI that said telling someone to "Take a deep breath" in between strings in Steel Challenge is a coaching procedural, I think I'd have to watch this guy crash and burn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egd5 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 I know you have to draw the line somewhere, but I also believe an atmosphere of good sportsmanship should be promoted. To me telling the guy he forgot his mags is just good sportsmanship. I understand the subjective nature of trying to draw that line, but, just saying..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 32 minutes ago, egd5 said: I know you have to draw the line somewhere, but I also believe an atmosphere of good sportsmanship should be promoted. To me telling the guy he forgot his mags is just good sportsmanship. I understand the subjective nature of trying to draw that line, but, just saying..... I agree if it’s a level one match and a somewhat newer shooter. But at a level II no way. Problem is not EVERYBODY feels the same way. I once started a shooter at a level II who pulled his start mag out of his pocket and loaded but had no other mags on his belt. BEEP fired 10 rounds and went to reload. After the COF I was discussing how bad I felt with the RM. He asked me why I didn’t tell the shooter he had no mags. Told that story to another RM and he said I did the right thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egd5 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Yeah, it is subjective for what is coaching. In this case I wonder, could you have added 'iiiiffff" ready to your beginning commands? Maybe he would have picked up on it. I'm just one who leans toward the lenient side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1911 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 I'd probably say something just loud enough to a friend about his mags missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slow250 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 I would have told him to go get his mags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) not like said club was following the rules anyway,, No such range command as "Load and make ready" So you could have said whatever you wanted considering no official range command was ever issued to signify the start of the COF Edited October 8, 2019 by Joe4d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Campbell Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 On 10/3/2019 at 9:20 AM, egd5 said: I know you have to draw the line somewhere, but I also believe an atmosphere of good sportsmanship should be promoted. To me telling the guy he forgot his mags is just good sportsmanship. I understand the subjective nature of trying to draw that line, but, just saying..... I completely agree and IF the RO wanted to give me a penalty , I'd take without argument , this is one of many rules that needs to be applied with a little common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjb45 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 So as the only individual to receive a coaching penalty at Nationals, I acknowledged that I coach when the CRO demanded to know who said 'just shoot it," I took the penalty without argument. At the time the DROI and I had a good chuckle about it, as did some of the other CROs at Nationals. On 10/11/2019 at 7:02 AM, Dave Campbell said: I completely agree and IF the RO wanted to give me a penalty , I'd take without argument , this is one of many rules that needs to be applied with a little common sense. I pretty much agree with Dave. That said at a major match where i am the CRO I try to be very circumspect with what I will say. I won't coach and pretty much will not allow coaching at a major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bret Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Is a CRO at Nationals that happens to be an RMI coaching when they said Muzzle when a shooter pointed a loaded gun at the squad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, bret said: Is a CRO at Nationals that happens to be an RMI coaching when they said Muzzle when a shooter pointed a loaded gun at the squad? Wow. Warnings at nationals. Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driver8M3 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, bret said: Is a CRO at Nationals that happens to be an RMI coaching when they said Muzzle when a shooter pointed a loaded gun at the squad? No. 8.6.1 No assistance of any kind can be given to a competitor during a course of fire, except that any Range Officer assigned to a stage may issue safety warnings to a competitor at any time. Such warnings will not be grounds for the competitor to be awarded a reshoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bret Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Sarge said: Wow. Warnings at nationals. Nice. Happened more than once on this stage, I got tired of having guns pointed at me so I quit watching people shoot that stage. Was an RMI acting as CRO on this stage but didn't DQ people for breaking 180. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bret Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 minute ago, driver8M3 said: No. 8.6.1 No assistance of any kind can be given to a competitor during a course of fire, except that any Range Officer assigned to a stage may issue safety warnings to a competitor at any time. Such warnings will not be grounds for the competitor to be awarded a reshoot. My point was the shooters, it happened more than once had already broken 180. If a shooter is on the 180 line but not past it, what rule have they violated and why would a CRO warn them when it is not considered unsafe to be on the 180? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driver8M3 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 11 minutes ago, bret said: My point was the shooters, it happened more than once had already broken 180. If a shooter is on the 180 line but not past it, what rule have they violated and why would a CRO warn them when it is not considered unsafe to be on the 180? One example: Sometimes a shooter is fiddling with their gun because of a malfunction or something and they're close to the 180. A muzzle warning can be helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 10 minutes ago, driver8M3 said: One example: Sometimes a shooter is fiddling with their gun because of a malfunction or something and they're close to the 180. A muzzle warning can be helpful. Sure but that’s different from what Bret is talking about. Not to mention it’s nationals and regardless of the rule saying “at any time”, warnings have no place in a major match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bret Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 12 minutes ago, driver8M3 said: One example: Sometimes a shooter is fiddling with their gun because of a malfunction or something and they're close to the 180. A muzzle warning can be helpful. In this case a safety warning was given after the 180 was broken, and it happened more than once on this stage with the CRO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driver8M3 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sarge said: Sure but that’s different from what Bret is talking about. Not to mention it’s nationals and regardless of the rule saying “at any time”, warnings have no place in a major match. bret asked a question. I answered it. It wasn't a comment about what he saw at nationals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 If I see somebody break the 180 the only warning they’ll get is, “be careful driving home”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEH Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Sarge said: If I see somebody break the 180 the only warning they’ll get is, “be careful driving home”. I like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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