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8 minutes ago, lstange said:

Here's approximate distribution for USPSA Production. Not exact as it only includes people who participated in a match recently.

 

GM 54

M 195

A 296

B 754

C 1135

D 466
U 1833

X 18

Where is this data from??  Can members of USPSA and Steel Challenge view the data??

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On 9/4/2019 at 2:53 PM, lstange said:

Here's approximate distribution for USPSA Production.  only includes people who participated in a match recently.

 

GM 54

M 195

A 296

B 754

C 1135

D 466
U 1833

X 18

Only 2,500 people shooting Production, in the entire country, are C or higher ???    WOW.

And almost half are either D or U ???    Makes me feel a whole lot better.

 

But, fewer than 5,000 people shooting Production, in the entire country ?    Seems low.  ????

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4 hours ago, Hi-Power Jack said:

Only 2,500 people shooting Production, in the entire country, are C or higher ???    WOW.

And almost half are either D or U ???    Makes me feel a whole lot better.

 

But, fewer than 5,000 people shooting Production, in the entire country ?    Seems low.  ????

I wonder if the numbers seem low because of so many shooters at tier one matches not being members of SCSA?  I knkw at my local matches we have many non-members that shoot matches, so I assume their scores go unposted. Several of them are B or higher in their scores..

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On 9/6/2019 at 8:45 PM, Hi-Power Jack said:

But, fewer than 5,000 people shooting Production, in the entire country ?    Seems low.  ????

Those are distinct USPSA IDs. People who shoot production but do not have a USPSA ID were not counted since there's no way to tell the same person shooting two matches from two different people.

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On 9/6/2019 at 11:29 AM, scffacenter1 said:

Wow, some of those numbers are much lower than I expected. 25 production gms total? I expected pcco to be higher as well.

where we are, the majority of people shooting production or SS guns register as limited, because people actually shoot limited. I don't actually have a classification in prod or ss, but I have almost only ever shot prod and ss guns in centerfire. 

 

Add 1 more to the rfpo numbers. Mrs moto tipped herself into GM earlier this evening (her 2nd GM division after PCCO).

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Anybody else have a problem with lifetime GM status?  I would bet a very large percentage of GMs can not shoot the current lower scores.  And they will go lower next time they review.  Rimfire is getting stupid low, a kid broke into the 50s this weekend at AL state.  More will do it.  My bet is we will see a couple 6.5 second peek times next year, smoke and hope and accelerator.  PCC times will go down as well.  The only times not going down are revolver.  So if a GM can't shoot current peek times, is he really a GM?

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25 minutes ago, Andyk said:

Anybody else have a problem with lifetime GM status?  I would bet a very large percentage of GMs can not shoot the current lower scores.  And they will go lower next time they review.  Rimfire is getting stupid low, a kid broke into the 50s this weekend at AL state.  More will do it.  My bet is we will see a couple 6.5 second peek times next year, smoke and hope and accelerator.  PCC times will go down as well.  The only times not going down are revolver.  So if a GM can't shoot current peek times, is he really a GM?

 

If it's a problem and we started adjusting classification for GM's, we should do the same for all classifications. In fact, it's probably more of a issue for every other classification then it is for GM.

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1 hour ago, Racinready300ex said:

 

If it's a problem and we started adjusting classification for GM's, we should do the same for all classifications. In fact, it's probably more of a issue for every other classification then it is for GM.

I'm fine  with that and I doubt it is more in other classes.  GM times are getting so low very few can achieve them, as it should be.  I see GMs all the time that made it years ago a can't shoot master level at today's times.  Look at tier 2 scores, there are lots of GMs in The middle of the pack.  Just yesterday 7 Ms and 2GMs in rimfire rifle finished in the bottom half of the class.  That's over 10% of the class.  25% of the GMs and Ms in the class in the bottom 50%.  They couldn't all have had broke guns.  Lots of A B and C shooters in front of them

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1 hour ago, Andyk said:

I'm fine  with that and I doubt it is more in other classes.  GM times are getting so low very few can achieve them, as it should be.  I see GMs all the time that made it years ago a can't shoot master level at today's times.  Look at tier 2 scores, there are lots of GMs in The middle of the pack.  Just yesterday 7 Ms and 2GMs in rimfire rifle finished in the bottom half of the class.  That's over 10% of the class.  25% of the GMs and Ms in the class in the bottom 50%.  They couldn't all have had broke guns.  Lots of A B and C shooters in front of them

 

The way the system works, there will be a big gap in GM's at majors it's the nature of the beast. I have paid much attention, but I assume it's still your best run ever for each stage goes toward your classification, right? Your on demand performance at a match is going to be much lower. You also have the potential for gun problems or just off days that puts those GM's lower in the results. I assume they could petition to get their classification lowered if they felt the were no longer competitive.

 

If GM's make up 4% of the shooters, them being over classified isn't really a big deal. If B class is 30%, there is potentially a lot more B class guys that should really be C class. I think most GM's probably realize the chances of them winning anything after becoming GM dropped considerably.

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53 minutes ago, Racinready300ex said:

 

The way the system works, there will be a big gap in GM's at majors it's the nature of the beast. I have paid much attention, but I assume it's still your best run ever for each stage goes toward your classification, right? Your on demand performance at a match is going to be much lower. You also have the potential for gun problems or just off days that puts those GM's lower in the results. I assume they could petition to get their classification lowered if they felt the were no longer competitive.

 

If GM's make up 4% of the shooters, them being over classified isn't really a big deal. If B class is 30%, there is potentially a lot more B class guys that should really be C class. I think most GM's probably realize the chances of them winning anything after becoming GM dropped considerably.

 

This.  ALL of this ^^^.  lol.  There really is a big difference, especially in GM status cause there is no ceiling.  95.1 percent GM vs 110 percent or 120 percent GM is going to be no contest.  And nothing is a given.  A GM can blow a stage just as easy as any other classification, however, its usually more costly within their classification competitors.  I believe it would be more important to remedy other classes than GM, but they also stay within a smaller bracket.

 

Keep in mind, as I remember it, they wanted to move the peak times down TWICE as much as they did this year, saying they wanted to break the movement into at least two years.  I would expect, and hope for that matter, this remains true and we get the same change, think it was 3 seconds for most, in 2020.

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The times are only going lower with each review.  I can tell you without a doubt, I can't shoot GM times anymore for two reasons. 1) I haven't shot SCSA in over a year and 2) any slight mistake or issue with anything and your score is done.

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