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1 hour ago, Stafford said:

A little off-topic, but related to my slow shooting for accuracy: is IDPA counter intuitive to USPSA?

yes and no,

 

IDPA is more punitive for accuracy issues but to be at the top of the game yo have to shoot accurately fast.

USPSA is more speed oriented than IDPA but to be at the top of the game you need to shoot accurately fast.

 

All  IDPA stages have a hit factor of 2 (a-1 being the same as a C in minor)  USPSA stages the hit factor varies from stage to stage, typically a 2 HF stage would be considered very very low making accuracy a premium more typically you will see stages in the 5 to 10 range occasionally higher (I have seen as high as the low 20s)  so  while a -1/C at a 2 HF equal 1 second of time at say 8 hf a C(in minor) is equal to 1/4 second. 

 

so the emphasis on speed and accuracy is different but to be successful you need to do both quickly in both sports.

 

 

 

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What is easier to do well it?  Tough question. I would lean toward production, but it'll be vary dependent on your club.

 

Locally we see a lot of IDPA guys who come shoot USPSA from time to time. These guys will be shooting Limited Minor and if you train for uspsa and take it seriously they shouldn't be hard to beat. But, you also see most new shooters that come in with a gun they already have and shoot production at first because their gun fits that division. These guys should be easy to beat too. Of the guys that come in to USPSA and start in production, some will get really good and stay there. Others will move to a different division. Limited for example you'll see a lot of 4k 2011 type guns, many who invest that kind of money probably take the game seriously and may be good shooters. (not all)

 

Locally we have a few GM's in Limited, but one recent match I went to a B class shooter won production. So right now in our area production is easier. A couple years ago, production was probably harder because a couple local GM's were shooting production then and limited now.

 

I guess my point is the equipment doesn't matter. Unless you shoot revolver and be first place at every match, that would be easy when you're the only guy there.

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Posted (edited)

IMHO.

I always tell newbies to start limited, open, CO or PCC.

Minimal reloads for them. 

The more manipulation, movement, stage breakdown, etc. etc. - it gets too much in their head and that's when i commonly see them get confuse.

Along with directions from all shooters willing to help newbies... 

 

Now typical average competitor, assuming the shooter has a top quality pistol and accessories for either division.. i would say whatever fuels your passion. LOL

 

 

 

 

Edited by Yagi

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I may be in the minority but I think new USPSA shooters will benefit most from starting in Production or Single Stack? My reasons; while you get to shoot minor (easier), points matter more so it forces you to work on accuracy. You have to reload more so you get more practice doing that as well. Stage planning is a little more complicated, so you get to work on that more. After spending a year or two in Production, a move to Limited will seem easier but your skill level will be better. Ultimately it all comes down to how much you are willing to invest in practice. Both dry fire and live fire practice. Getting some training from a reputable teacher will teach you how to practice to get the most out of your time.


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Why steer a new shooter away from having to do reloads?  That skill development should start as early as possible.  If you can do well in Single Stack you can probably go to any other handgun division and do well.  It's a good foundation for Limited and Open.  A production gun will be a pleasure and of course so will carry optics.  Revolver, well that's a whole other thing.

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yep and they wil lbe ahead of the game in 2021 when we will all need to learn how to reload

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4 hours ago, GunBugBit said:

Why steer a new shooter away from having to do reloads?  That skill development should start as early as possible.  If you can do well in Single Stack you can probably go to any other handgun division and do well.  It's a good foundation for Limited and Open.  A production gun will be a pleasure and of course so will carry optics.  Revolver, well that's a whole other thing.

I steer new shooters to Limited because of the Lack of rules and fewer reloads.   Production has the largest rule set and the need for more equipment than what new shooters normally have.   Their lack of knowledge of the game and lack of equipment( mags and pouches mostly) actually steers them to Limited.  Typically Limited Minor.  

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