dmshozer1 Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Empty 1301, bolt forward, not cocked, table start. Best way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Does the lifter enable you to load the tube with the hammer down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dan Sierpina said: Does the lifter enable you to load the tube with the hammer down? No, but I've never seen such a start condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blockader Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Pull back bolt to lock. Insert shell in front of bolt. Drop bolt. Load tube. Thats really your only option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmshozer1 Posted August 6, 2019 Author Share Posted August 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, TonytheTiger said: No, but I've never seen such a start condition. You have never seen a empty shotgun start? Been shooting 3gun for 20 years all over the US. Had to do it many times but not with a Berreta. Most will let you put one on the lifter which is still a pain in the ass but some will not allow that. It is a cruel start. If you had to. How would your do it with your 1301? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmshozer1 Posted August 6, 2019 Author Share Posted August 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Blockader said: Pull back bolt to lock. Insert shell in front of bolt. Drop bolt. Load tube. Thats really your only option. Thanks. ,I was hoping there was a trick that I was not aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Plenty of empty starts, but never once with the hammer dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmshozer1 Posted August 6, 2019 Author Share Posted August 6, 2019 23 minutes ago, TonytheTiger said: Plenty of empty starts, but never once with the hammer dropped. Understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowmisses Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Ive started with bolt forward, hammer cocked -> PEEP -> load 8 into tube -> press the little button to release a round on top of lifter -> rack the bolt -> shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmshozer1 Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 10 hours ago, Slowmisses said: Ive started with bolt forward, hammer cocked -> PEEP -> load 8 into tube -> press the little button to release a round on top of lifter -> rack the bolt -> shoot. Understand, I was hoping there was a faster method. I do know a faster way but i don't want to open up a can of worms. Most 1301 users know what i am talking about. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle4 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 In ipsc the faster way : bolt closed , grab the gun (right hand), load 8 shell gun upside down with left hand, press the trigger with the right finger gun still upside down, rack gun still upside down and shouldering for fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 11 hours ago, Eagle4 said: In ipsc the faster way : bolt closed , grab the gun (right hand), load 8 shell gun upside down with left hand, press the trigger with the right finger gun still upside down, rack gun still upside down and shouldering for fire. With the hammer dropped though? Thats the tricky part of this scenario that I don't see a fast way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumpyv8 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 The load/trigger/rack process won't work if the hammer is forward. The bolt would need to be pulled back to release the lifter. From there, 2 options. - Bolt forward, load/trigger/rack - drop one in the chamber/bolt forward/finish load Personally i don't like the load/trigger/rack system. I'm not convinced that pulling the trigger as part of the loading process is a good idea (here goes the "the gun is already loaded" comments ) Sure, it's fine for an unloaded situation but if there's a brain fart & the unloaded load technique is used when the gun has one in the chamber it's going to end badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 I'd like to see a video of the trigger pull technique just for comparison to the button pushing method. I've been using the button for a couple years now and don't feel that its that difficult or slow. Vid for comparison purposes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle4 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 (edited) On the FB page of Josh Kenny you will find an old vidéo of a table start, option 3, load 4, trigger pull,rack and shooting 4 plates un less than 3,2 seconds. Edited August 20, 2019 by Eagle4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmshozer1 Posted August 19, 2019 Author Share Posted August 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Eagle4 said: On the FB page of Josh Kenny you will find an old vidéo of a table start, option 3, load 4, trigger pull,rack and shooting 4 plates un less than 3,2 seconds. If he was using a 1301 the gun had to be cocked and bolt forward or the lifter will not let you load the tube. Gun not cocked, lifter will not go down. Table start, bolt forward and cocked, no problem. Great gun but loading it in the above condition sucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle4 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 No "decocked" start in ipsc shotgun. In decocked start i will certainly rack the bolt, activate the bolt release and start loading like i usually do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmshozer1 Posted August 20, 2019 Author Share Posted August 20, 2019 5 hours ago, Eagle4 said: No "decocked" start in ipsc shotgun. In decocked start i will certainly rack the bolt, activate the bolt release and start loading like i usually do. I have never shot a IPSC 3gun match, All my matches have been normal type 3gun. Good rule! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle4 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 (edited) My way to make a smooth option 3 table start not cocked hammer : Grab the gun and open the bolt, flip the gun, grab ammo, close the bolt with the ammo and load, trigger trick, rack and bang. And for Toni : i think the trigger trick is more smooth and fast than pushing the button. Edited September 22, 2019 by Eagle4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 8 hours ago, Eagle4 said: And for Toni : i think the trigger trick is more smooth and fast than pushing the button. It looks like you may be right. I'll probably keep using my current method, I see maybe two empty starts a year so I'll just live with the extra second for the sake of familiarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle4 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Ok, in shotgun ipsc match minimum one option 3 start each 12 stages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 You guys are so much more structured over there. Here we just make it up as we go and every MD has a different match style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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