12glocks Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 My wife and I both shoot 3 gun. My son wants to shoot 3 gun but he is an 84 pound 12 year old. We thought we could get him a PCC to shoot for a year or two until he gets bigger and can manage a 12 gauge without getting beat up. I can build an AR no problem but really don't want to build a PCC. I would rather buy one, foolish maybe, I don't know? I would love to get a JP, but again it's for a 12 year old to use for a couple of years. Here would be what I am looking for: Less than $1000, runs like a Glock, has the capability to change the trigger or a good trigger from the factory, full length forend or capability to change. I know Sig makes one or two, Ruger has one. Also I just won a Hyperfire Competition Hypertouch, will this work in a PCC? Any other suggestions are appreciated! Link to comment
Posvar Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 MPX is by far the softest shooting pcc and you can also make it pretty light. I just bought one for my 12 year old daughter. Link to comment
Steve RA Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 I'd take a look at the Ruger PCCs. Buy a stock one, let him shoot it for awhile, if he likes it, keep it. If he doesn't, then sell it. You could probably get a good percentage of the purchase price if it hasn't been abused in the meantime. Link to comment
Darqusoull13 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 1 hour ago, 12glocks said: My wife and I both shoot 3 gun. My son wants to shoot 3 gun but he is an 84 pound 12 year old. We thought we could get him a PCC to shoot for a year or two until he gets bigger and can manage a 12 gauge without getting beat up. I can build an AR no problem but really don't want to build a PCC. I would rather buy one, foolish maybe, I don't know? I would love to get a JP, but again it's for a 12 year old to use for a couple of years. Here would be what I am looking for: Less than $1000, runs like a Glock, has the capability to change the trigger or a good trigger from the factory, full length forend or capability to change. I know Sig makes one or two, Ruger has one. Also I just won a Hyperfire Competition Hypertouch, will this work in a PCC? Any other suggestions are appreciated! Get the JP. It will last him as long as he wants to shoot. You and the whole family can run the same gun at matches to help justify, call it buying 1 PCC for 2-3 people. You do not want to get something that will malfunction. That will kill the fun for him and for you. Prioritize reliability over everything. That road leads to JP. Link to comment
Silverscooby27 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 JP. You’ll use it for more than a couple of years, trust me. And even if not, you’ll find it a lot easier to sell and hold value than other things. Link to comment
GOF Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Steve RA said: I'd take a look at the Ruger PCCs. Buy a stock one, let him shoot it for awhile, if he likes it, keep it. If he doesn't, then sell it. You could probably get a good percentage of the purchase price if it hasn't been abused in the meantime. +1. The Ruger PC works well out of the box and does accept Glock mags. I use a stock gun with an RMR sight and made A Class in Steel Challenge. The reason I selected the Ruger PC was because, other than 1.5 pounds of extra weight, it was almost identical to my Ruger Take Down Lite RFRO (A Class) gun. Shooting one is like shooting the other. That might be a thought if, as he grows, he wants to get into Steel Challenge and shoot a .22. Link to comment
AHI Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 May I suggest https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-gen4-16-9mm-1-10-lightweight-m-lok-moe-ept-rifle-5165450030.html they usually sell for$550.00 They are accurate. Upgrade trigger good to go. May wish to change to a different buffer system later. Money left over for a scope/etc. Link to comment
brix Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Foxtrot Mike also makes some great pccs, their forward side charger is pretty great, you don't have to break your grip to manipulate the action. You can find them complete with their lower but if you want to use a different lower their complete uppers are pretty well priced and frequently on sale at Brownells and Primary Arms. Their customer service is great too. Link to comment
dmshozer1 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 5 hours ago, Darqusoull13 said: Get the JP. It will last him as long as he wants to shoot. You and the whole family can run the same gun at matches to help justify, call it buying 1 PCC for 2-3 people. You do not want to get something that will malfunction. That will kill the fun for him and for you. Prioritize reliability over everything. That road leads to JP. Too heavy for a 84 pounder. Link to comment
Posvar Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Agreed. I’ve owned 2. Great guns but they are tanks! Link to comment
TNREDNECK Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Buy the JP it’s the most gun for the money not even close, you can always get the lightweight barrel or change out the handguard . Dont buy the palmetto ! Link to comment
Matt1911 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Qc10 lower, your Hyperfire trigger, lpk and buttstock of choice, Taccom ULW complete upper with their 3 stage buffer system. Done. You're welcome. Link to comment
sweatpants Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Toss up between JP and MPX for me, if weight is an issue swap a CF tube on. Link to comment
assaultthesalt Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 MBX Pro Series......ultra reliable......just a tad heavier than a Sig....not by much. Link to comment
12glocks Posted July 15, 2019 Author Share Posted July 15, 2019 Thanks to all for their contributions! Mama and I are weighing the options... Link to comment
turbopower18 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 If you want it to run out of the box my vote is JP. I came from the AR Platform to the Sig MPX and still question my choice of changing. The MPX by far is a softer felt recoil but i’ve had the typical MPX extraction and feeding issues. I think with the MPX they’re hit or miss on reliability. Buy the JP and forget about it imo.... Link to comment
Darqusoull13 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 21 hours ago, turbopower18 said: If you want it to run out of the box my vote is JP. I came from the AR Platform to the Sig MPX and still question my choice of changing. The MPX by far is a softer felt recoil but i’ve had the typical MPX extraction and feeding issues. I think with the MPX they’re hit or miss on reliability. Buy the JP and forget about it imo.... Let me know if you want any help or a nudge to change over. I might be able to get you set up with a pretty soft shooting JP Link to comment
Hi-Power Jack Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 On 7/14/2019 at 1:43 PM, AHI said: Upgrade trigger good to go. May wish to change to a different buffer system What trigger/buffer system did you go with ? Link to comment
AHI Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) Hiperfire eclipse and MBX EZ to get 2inch 100y groupes with the right ammo. Edited July 18, 2019 by AHI Link to comment
JohnnyD Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 On 7/14/2019 at 7:29 PM, Matt1911 said: Qc10 lower, your Hyperfire trigger, lpk and buttstock of choice, Taccom ULW complete upper with their 3 stage buffer system. Done. You're welcome. This...I run same but am using a PSA lower. Link to comment
Aircooled6racer Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Hello: One thing to consider for a light young shooter is weight. They can handle the recoil but the weight is what gives them problems. For my two boys I made lightweight rifles for them to shoot with. They could not keep the rifle on target with a front heavy rifle. Go with a light weight upper and adjust the buffer setup for your loads. I think a AR9 setup would be your best choice and yes I have owned both the MPX(actually 3) and still have 3 AR9's. QC-10 lowers are the best to use since the magwell angle is correct and not sloppy. Thanks, Eric Link to comment
jrdoran Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 No experience but read about this today; Looks cool too ! https://www.ssusa.org/articles/2019/7/14/new-pistol-caliber-carbines-from-psa-lead-star-arms/ Quote The Lead Star is a very lightweight carbine, tipping the scale at only six pounds. The stock is fixed in place, and the Lead Star charging handle rides in place on the left side of this carbine. The blue pistol grip, like the entire gun, is skeletonized, and the receiver is drastically opened up to lighten the carbine. The aluminum handguard shields the barrel of the gun and is covered by a black and blue carbon-fiber wrap. The compensator is also blue. The magazine release is large and allows for easy release with the trigger finger. The safety is ambidextrous and somewhat larger than on the PSA Custom, making the size of this safety just right. Link to comment
12glocks Posted July 19, 2019 Author Share Posted July 19, 2019 8 hours ago, jrdoran said: No experience but read about this today; Looks cool too ! https://www.ssusa.org/articles/2019/7/14/new-pistol-caliber-carbines-from-psa-lead-star-arms/ They are local to me and have sponsored some matches I have shot. I will give that a look thanks! Link to comment
jrdoran Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 (edited) looks like 5.1 lbs for this model https://www.leadstararms.com/shop-firearms/9mm-pcc/ Edited July 19, 2019 by jrdoran Link to comment
dmshozer1 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 10 hours ago, jrdoran said: No experience but read about this today; Looks cool too ! https://www.ssusa.org/articles/2019/7/14/new-pistol-caliber-carbines-from-psa-lead-star-arms/ Nice but the little guy is going to need an adjustable stock. As he grows that might change. Link to comment
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