o27 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Hi guys. Have to pulled the trigger and purchased a second hand SPS Pantera 9mm. Coming from an older Tanfoglio Limited 9mm (small frame) I´ve been anxious to try out the 2011 platform for a while, so pretty exited. Due to legislations here in Denmark, it´ll probably take 4-8 weeks until all the relevant permits are in place and I have it in my possession. In the mean time I´ll be doing thorough insights into the possible upgrade path, and as such needs your guidance and hopefully tips and tricks. I´ll be using it for IPSC Standard, as I´ve just applied for the IPSC license course. The rest of the IPSC guys in the little local club is running SVI Infinity and STI Edge and are already giving me a bit of a hard time on the choice of the SPS. As such, I´m inclined to prove them wrong and have no problem on spending a few extra bucks on gradually making the Pantera shine. Currently it´s been upgraded rather limited, stipled grip with trigger bow undercuts and internal polishing of the standard parts - not aware of any upgrades of the internals. Have been looking into the following; Trigger; - Gepert X-line Vario as these are German and Denmark is right next to Germany, so shipping and customs in no issue - SV Inifity trigger (not the tri glide) but seems a bit more hard to get in Europe - the pro however would be two other shooters in my club is using these so guidance and assistance should be easier. Hammer & Sear - Atlas AGW - but seems impossible to get in Europe - EGW Ignition kit Guide Rod - Dawson Toolless - pro is tool less field strip - Tungsten - pro is an even heavier front end as I would assume would take up even more recoil, could be a pro for a rookie. Slide - Local gunsmith to lighten the slide with some cut out in the front of the slide - but will probably be the last upgrade if at all. What will be the natural upgrade path? And any other suggestions than what I´ve liste and some pro´s and con´s would be highly appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardust tommy Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 since you are in Europe... best parts for a good price https://cesar-shop.com/product/egw-ignition-kit-w-lightened-hammer-1911-2011 , they do need adjustments for optimum performance change the extractor (SPS will break) look that the mag isn't touching the ejector while inserting, ejector will break if they touch I have now a BT extractor and ejector (also from the CESAR WEBSHOP), parts look good but need some adjustments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardust tommy Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 I have the Geppert triggers, they are good but need fitting. firtst fit the bow, then the bow wit trigger for a good fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o27 Posted June 14, 2019 Author Share Posted June 14, 2019 Thanks for the input Stardust tommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardust tommy Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 can't give more info on the BT extractor... just noticed that the SPS slide has a crack in the breacgface/extractor tunnel.... less than 1 year old, les than 5000rnds... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliveb Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 (edited) Hi o27, Robi of Cesar shop has nice parts (as noted). If you want something a bit more high-end, touch base with Guido Amoretti of RV Custom guns of Torino. He's probably the best gunsmith in Italy and has really nice sear/hammer/disconnector kits. Closer to you, there is Hans-Peter Schaefer in Germany. Enjoy your shooting and remember, for the most part, it's the fisherman, not the rod. The day you beat some guy running a big-buck infinity will be a hoot. Clive Edited June 14, 2019 by Cliveb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 3 hours ago, stardust tommy said: since you are in Europe... I have now a BT extractor and ejector (also from the CESAR WEBSHOP), parts look good but need some adjustments what is BT extraxtor ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardust tommy Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 BT is a brand from Italy I believe RV custom uses BT parts (I talked some years ago with the owner) I don't like HPS (Hans Peter Schafer) pistols... his pistols work... but the fit is of the parts is not optiumum while the price is for optimum performance products Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o27 Posted August 17, 2019 Author Share Posted August 17, 2019 How is the BT quality vs i.e EGW? I Can see that a EGW Tungsten cost 121€ vs 80€ for a BT. Can i assume the durabilitet and quality is similar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcc7x7 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Don't know BT parts EGW are the best you can get day in and day out. Just got another set of ignition parts for a new pistol yesterday. I don't think they are exporting parts any longer directly though, check their website! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o27 Posted August 17, 2019 Author Share Posted August 17, 2019 Thanks. I can get the EGW parts in Germany as well, so that´s fine. Just wondering if this “BT” vendor had any solid reputation in here, guess not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 (edited) Why put all that time money and effort into a non competitive gun ? Just checked the rules and it still says you need 10mm or 357 sig to score major in standard. Ammo issues or something local Edited August 17, 2019 by Joe4d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o27 Posted August 17, 2019 Author Share Posted August 17, 2019 I’m based in Denmark, here most shoot 9mm as most ranges are not approved for higher calibers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjb45 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Yeah for Denmark. I was there last summer. We tried to tack it onto our trip this year but the extra$$$ from France to Denmark was a bummer. Do you know Mats B in Sweden. He is with SV. I think his dealer is in Denmark. Very knowledgable guy. Easy to get along with him. I have shot a couple of Nats with him. EGW makes great stuff. Obviously I prefer SV. PM me is you need more info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o27 Posted August 20, 2019 Author Share Posted August 20, 2019 On 8/18/2019 at 12:46 AM, pjb45 said: Yeah for Denmark. I was there last summer. We tried to tack it onto our trip this year but the extra$$$ from France to Denmark was a bummer. Do you know Mats B in Sweden. He is with SV. I think his dealer is in Denmark. Very knowledgable guy. Easy to get along with him. I have shot a couple of Nats with him. EGW makes great stuff. Obviously I prefer SV. PM me is you need more info. Yeah plane tickets can turn out quiet expensive here in Europe, especially if it´s last minute/a sudden intuitive decision. Unfortunately, I don’t know Mats B, as I’m new to IPSC and are just in the middle of the materials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KindredGhost Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) On 6/14/2019 at 1:47 AM, o27 said: Hi guys. Have to pulled the trigger and purchased a second hand SPS Pantera 9mm. Coming from an older Tanfoglio Limited 9mm (small frame) I´ve been anxious to try out the 2011 platform for a while, so pretty exited. Due to legislations here in Denmark, it´ll probably take 4-8 weeks until all the relevant permits are in place and I have it in my possession. In the mean time I´ll be doing thorough insights into the possible upgrade path, and as such needs your guidance and hopefully tips and tricks. I´ll be using it for IPSC Standard, as I´ve just applied for the IPSC license course. The rest of the IPSC guys in the little local club is running SVI Infinity and STI Edge and are already giving me a bit of a hard time on the choice of the SPS. As such, I´m inclined to prove them wrong and have no problem on spending a few extra bucks on gradually making the Pantera shine. Currently it´s been upgraded rather limited, stipled grip with trigger bow undercuts and internal polishing of the standard parts - not aware of any upgrades of the internals. Have been looking into the following; Trigger; - Gepert X-line Vario as these are German and Denmark is right next to Germany, so shipping and customs in no issue - SV Inifity trigger (not the tri glide) but seems a bit more hard to get in Europe - the pro however would be two other shooters in my club is using these so guidance and assistance should be easier. Hammer & Sear - Atlas AGW - but seems impossible to get in Europe - EGW Ignition kit Guide Rod - Dawson Toolless - pro is tool less field strip - Tungsten - pro is an even heavier front end as I would assume would take up even more recoil, could be a pro for a rookie. Slide - Local gunsmith to lighten the slide with some cut out in the front of the slide - but will probably be the last upgrade if at all. What will be the natural upgrade path? And any other suggestions than what I´ve liste and some pro´s and con´s would be highly appreciated Quote Hey! So, here's some (relatively) unsolicited but pragmatic advice. Shoot the gun first! It may not need any of the upgrades you're willing to spend money on. Spend the money on ammo, matches, and practice instead. You made a solid investment in that SPS. Your buddies are going to feel silly for giving you a hard time over their remarks about the brand. The match win is dictated by the shooter, not the gear. If I remember right, Shane Coley won a regional match with a stock glock 17 or something. Good luck man! And again, congrats on your new lead slinger. -kg Edit: The tool-less guide rod is probably your only sensible upgrade as it makes field stripping super easy. I'd give you mine if you were local as I have an extra one. So come to Los Angeles to shoot a match and it's yours! Edited August 26, 2019 by KindredGhost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o27 Posted September 22, 2019 Author Share Posted September 22, 2019 Short update, have now put around 1200 rounds throgh the Pantera without a hiccup. Just upgrade to a Dawson precision tool less guide rod, simply to reduce „complexity“ at field stripping. Would love to look into a full DLC coating and lighten the slide with triptop and cut out, but honesty I don’t think it needs it and the point of diminishing return is probably well passed. Even the other IPSC shooters with STI and SVI have commented on the trigger and the flat shooting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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