sstephns Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Looks like it solved a problem you didn't realize you had. Looks like the brass was hitting you in the face if that's your ejection pattern... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich406 Posted June 12, 2019 Author Share Posted June 12, 2019 4 hours ago, sstephns said: Looks like it solved a problem you didn't realize you had. Looks like the brass was hitting you in the face if that's your ejection pattern... The brass never ejects straight back. What is happening is as the brass is ejected it clips the optic and bounces back toward the breech. Ive seen both Glocks and sig p320s do this. It seems like its an issue with most polymer guns. With previous optics, RTS2, DPP, Romeo1, etc, the brass just bounces off the optic and usually goes forward instead of off to the side. With the SRO there is enough space beneath the optic window that the brass can get trapped and cause a malfunction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstange Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Rich406 said: as the brass is ejected it clips the optic and bounces back toward the breech. This sound like a bigger issue than an occasional malfunction. I don't think the optic will last long if it's being constantly hit by ejected brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich406 Posted June 12, 2019 Author Share Posted June 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, lstange said: This sound like a bigger issue than an occasional malfunction. I don't think the optic will last long if it's being constantly hit by ejected brass. Its a very common issue with a variety of guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Hello: Maybe try a 12.5lb recoil spring and see if it does it. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHA-LEE Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Tuning the extractor and ejector is needed to change the trajectory of the brass. This is especially true if you are shooting bunny fart reloads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmella Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 On 6/12/2019 at 6:40 PM, CHA-LEE said: Tuning the extractor and ejector is needed to change the trajectory of the brass. This is especially true if you are shooting bunny fart reloads. Thank you. I never understood changing spring weights to fix ejection issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich406 Posted June 14, 2019 Author Share Posted June 14, 2019 So as an update. I now have about 1000 rounds through the gun since I replaced the extractor, spring and slightly filed the sight. And have had no further issues. Fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenault Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 On 6/12/2019 at 1:49 PM, lstange said: This sound like a bigger issue than an occasional malfunction. I don't think the optic will last long if it's being constantly hit by ejected brass. It probably will. My Romeo 1 has been a deflector for 20k+ with no issues other than the paint is gone. I’ve tried all different weights of recoil springs. It is a common issue with the x-5, both mine do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Civilian_Actual Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 (edited) On 6/11/2019 at 7:22 AM, Rich406 said: I can blame the sight for a design that compounds the problem. The sight being raised due to plate mounted vs milled doesn't help the situation. Edited June 15, 2019 by Civilian_Actual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmanick Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 I have one of these on order for my shadow 2, I'm really hoping I don't have any issues like this with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich406 Posted June 17, 2019 Author Share Posted June 17, 2019 So since my last update I’ve had zero problems with brass jamming under the optic. However I have noticed that the SRO wasn’t holding zero. It was consistently .5-1.5” low when I’d check it. I zero’d the optic last Friday and shot 2 matches last weekend. On Sunday I was inspecting the optic and noticed that the elevation adjustment screw wasn’t in the same orientation as I remembered. Today I went to the range. Initially the POI was off about .5”. I rezero’d the gun and marked the adjustment screw. After about 200 rounds the screw had moved 1 click by itself. After 500 rounds the screw had moved 2-3 clicks by itself. I’ve tested this on 2 different SROs and both of their elevation screws move by themselves under recoil. Guess I’ll contact Trijicon and see what they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PewPewJohnson87 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 On 6/12/2019 at 2:49 PM, lstange said: This sound like a bigger issue than an occasional malfunction. I don't think the optic will last long if it's being constantly hit by ejected brass. 12k rounds on my X5 with Romeo 1, all 12k have hit the optic housing. knock on wood the dot is still going strong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echotango Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Rich406 said: So since my last update I’ve had zero problems with brass jamming under the optic. However I have noticed that the SRO wasn’t holding zero. It was consistently .5-1.5” low when I’d check it. I zero’d the optic last Friday and shot 2 matches last weekend. On Sunday I was inspecting the optic and noticed that the elevation adjustment screw wasn’t in the same orientation as I remembered. Today I went to the range. Initially the POI was off about .5”. I rezero’d the gun and marked the adjustment screw. After about 200 rounds the screw had moved 1 click by itself. After 500 rounds the screw had moved 2-3 clicks by itself. I’ve tested this on 2 different SROs and both of their elevation screws move by themselves under recoil. Guess I’ll contact Trijicon and see what they say. Not good news with one on order. Let us know what they say. Do they not test these things???? Edited June 18, 2019 by echotango Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmanick Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 it's pretty amazing you even caught this. Anyone ever check their RMR's to see if this happens with those as well? At what distance are you zeroing this thing ? I thought these were made on the same platform as the RMR. Having one on order as well, this is concerning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savagesweat Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 5 hours ago, Rich406 said: So since my last update I’ve had zero problems with brass jamming under the optic. However I have noticed that the SRO wasn’t holding zero. It was consistently .5-1.5” low when I’d check it. I zero’d the optic last Friday and shot 2 matches last weekend. On Sunday I was inspecting the optic and noticed that the elevation adjustment screw wasn’t in the same orientation as I remembered. Today I went to the range. Initially the POI was off about .5”. I rezero’d the gun and marked the adjustment screw. After about 200 rounds the screw had moved 1 click by itself. After 500 rounds the screw had moved 2-3 clicks by itself. I’ve tested this on 2 different SROs and both of their elevation screws move by themselves under recoil. Guess I’ll contact Trijicon and see what they say. Dude. This problem holding zero is totally raining on my parade. Just like everybody else, I figured the SRO would be just as stable as the RMR. I don't remember this ever being an issue when I used the RMR in carry optics. Maybe I need to go back and test the RMR to see if the windage or elevation screws are walking on me. I've never used the paint markers before, but I need to try them now. Not cool. I need this issue to be resolved so I can order an SRO and resume the warm fuzzies generated by my fantasies of a new CO build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClangClang Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 My uninformed, uneducated guess: Trijicon recycled the exact same zero screws for the SRO from the RMR. However, the greater mass of the SRO (or perhaps taller body) leads to some sort of greater leverage against the detents which hold the zero screw in place, and the hardware that was adequate for the RMR is insufficient for the SRO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawaiifivebro Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Definitely holding off on buying the SRO until this plays out, was almost sold on it over the DPP until this lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadyscott999 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 13 hours ago, Rich406 said: So since my last update I’ve had zero problems with brass jamming under the optic. However I have noticed that the SRO wasn’t holding zero. It was consistently .5-1.5” low when I’d check it. I zero’d the optic last Friday and shot 2 matches last weekend. On Sunday I was inspecting the optic and noticed that the elevation adjustment screw wasn’t in the same orientation as I remembered. Today I went to the range. Initially the POI was off about .5”. I rezero’d the gun and marked the adjustment screw. After about 200 rounds the screw had moved 1 click by itself. After 500 rounds the screw had moved 2-3 clicks by itself. I’ve tested this on 2 different SROs and both of their elevation screws move by themselves under recoil. Guess I’ll contact Trijicon and see what they say. Not to make light of the adjustment screw moving, but how does one determine that POI has moved by .5" Especially with a 1moa adjustment? A quick fix would be a dab of clear fingernail polish over the adjustment screw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 If one moa equals roughly 1" at 100 yards and 2" at 200 yards then it is 1/4" at 25 yards. Right? And if a 2.5moa dot covers 2.5" at 100 yards then it is covering.0.6 of an inch at 25yrds. so there is almost (0.875) a full inch of variable at 25 yards. Or am I doing the math wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadyscott999 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, rowdyb said: If one moa equals roughly 1" at 100 yards and 2" at 200 yards then it is 1/4" at 25 yards. Right? And if a 2.5moa dot covers 2.5" at 100 yards then it is covering.0.6 of an inch at 25yrds. so there is almost (0.875) a full inch of variable at 25 yards. Or am I doing the math wrong? my point exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich406 Posted June 18, 2019 Author Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Shadyscott999 said: Not to make light of the adjustment screw moving, but how does one determine that POI has moved by .5" Especially with a 1moa adjustment? A quick fix would be a dab of clear fingernail polish over the adjustment screw. By shooting a group and look at where it is relative to where you were aiming? I usually zero 15 yards from a rest. That said its nearly impossible to tell in a match setting if the POI is off by 1-2 inches. Especially vertical alignment. Since its a new optic ive been checking the zero at each practice session and it was always low when id check after shooting any significant amount of rounds. I just happened to notice the adjustment screw moving because the slot was exactly vertical the last time I had zero'd it. I'd estimate it had moved 5-7 clicks. I'm going to try the clear nail polish, but I wish the optic had a locking screw, or it had a stronger detent system like the DPP. Edited June 18, 2019 by Rich406 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich406 Posted June 18, 2019 Author Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 hour ago, rowdyb said: If one moa equals roughly 1" at 100 yards and 2" at 200 yards then it is 1/4" at 25 yards. Right? And if a 2.5moa dot covers 2.5" at 100 yards then it is covering.0.6 of an inch at 25yrds. so there is almost (0.875) a full inch of variable at 25 yards. Or am I doing the math wrong? The Dot may cover a certain area but its still a matter of centering the dot over your POA. Or am I misunderstanding what you are talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstange Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 16 hours ago, Rich406 said: elevation screws move by themselves under recoil If it doesn't move and it should, use the WD-40. If it moves and it shouldn't, use the duct tape? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czgunsalot Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) Why does the sro look so banged up? Im not a guy that keeps my gear all clean and etc. but that thing like like it’s been tested by sage dynamic Edited June 18, 2019 by Czgunsalot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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