CoyoteMW Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 The written stage briefing for Classifier 06-03, “Can You Count,” appears to require the targets to be shot in numerical order: ”String 1: Engage T1 with 5 rounds only, perform a mandatory reload and engage T2 with 5 rounds only. String 2: Engage T3 with 5 rounds only, perform a mandatory reload and engage T4 with 5 rounds only.” There is nothing in that briefing about being free to engage the targets in those strings in any order, as there is in briefings for other classifiers. So if a shooter engages T2 first, then T1, is that a procedural for shooting the targets out of order? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balakay Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Re-read the description on the USPSA site. No procedural. As the description states, targets within a string may be engaged in any order without penalty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKorn Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 The WSB seems to be missing the line from the Stage Description / Diagram which states “Targets within a string may be engaged in any order without penalty”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcc7x7 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 I got a procedural on this. Arb'd and won based on no competitive advantage. But it doesn't have the shoot in any order line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driver8M3 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, jcc7x7 said: I got a procedural on this. Arb'd and won based on no competitive advantage. But it doesn't have the shoot in any order line. A RM at a match made you arb this despite the line being in the stage diagram? Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcc7x7 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Line isn't or wasn't there last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driver8M3 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 It wasn't in the diagram page either? As far as I know it was always in the diagram page (though it looks like it was omitted from the WSB when that was developed). Did this happen to you at a club match or a level II / III match? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 It's in my printed book of classifier diagrams from 3+ years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balakay Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 If there isn’t a diagram, how would you know which is T1 and which is T2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 that range lawyer was just an L1. or maybe even had only taken a RO para legal course. jokes. but if you have incomplete information you make incomplete decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickBlasta Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 https://uspsa.org/viewer//06-03.pdf The confusion probably arises from it not being in the WSB (the second page) but on the stage diagram (the first page). Not including it is obviously an oversight. However since the WSB is definitive, one could receive a procedural under 10.2.2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatland Shooter Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 I do know that if I was on the Arbitration Committee I would take not only the WSB into consideration but also the Stage Diagram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balakay Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 hour ago, NickBlasta said: https://uspsa.org/viewer//06-03.pdf The confusion probably arises from it not being in the WSB (the second page) but on the stage diagram (the first page). Not including it is obviously an oversight. However since the WSB is definitive, one could receive a procedural under 10.2.2. As above, if you have only the WSB and not the diagram, how does anyone determine which target is T1 vs T2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaterHead Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Have you ever seen any stage where the target shooting order within an array is specified? This is USPSA, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Since there is an AND in the first string, instead of a THEN,,, whats to prevent a shooter from shooting 5 on T-1, 5 on T-2, getting his time on last shot, and THEN perform the reload. The second sentence says to do 2 things, I did them. No mention of order. I mean we are implying the order doesnt matter with the targets simply because one is written first, so why does the reload matter ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoyoteMW Posted May 29, 2019 Author Share Posted May 29, 2019 USPSA should clean this up with a little editing: change “and” to “then,” and add “Targets within a string may be shot in any order.” That is the way this classifier has been run over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickBlasta Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Joe4d said: Since there is an AND in the first string, instead of a THEN,,, whats to prevent a shooter from shooting 5 on T-1, 5 on T-2, getting his time on last shot, and THEN perform the reload. The second sentence says to do 2 things, I did them. No mention of order. I mean we are implying the order doesnt matter with the targets simply because one is written first, so why does the reload matter ? That's actually pretty funny, the language does imply that it's a list and not an order of operations. Ex, "Engage T1, 2, 3, and 4" is different from "Engage T1, then T2, then T3, then T4"... There are a lot of other classifiers with such language problems. I wonder if they bothered to pay anyone to proofread them. Hey, I know an English major with some spare time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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