chetc Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 i read on youtube where someone was shooting a semi 9mm pistol, he loaded 5.0 grs of w231 with a 124gr coated round nose, in order to make this load chamber in my wife's walthers PPQ i had to load them at 1.050 and i see this may be on the hot side especially at this length. i only loaded 50, should i pull them and drop the chg to 4.0grs chet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cfish Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 4.2-4.4 is a good range for W231 with 124's. But as always work up to this range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetc Posted April 21, 2019 Author Share Posted April 21, 2019 37 minutes ago, Cfish said: 4.2-4.4 is a good range for W231 with 124's. But as always work up to this range. i am gonna pull 40 of them, and try 10 thanks chet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Phil Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Seems like a load from "someone" on youtube should be taken with a grain of salt. I wonder about the wisdom of using that particular load data source when there are tons of reputable sources on the internet and in book form reloading manuals. Best of luck on your "experiment". Hope your wife's gun enjoys the test... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetc Posted April 22, 2019 Author Share Posted April 22, 2019 hi Phil got scared on that load after thinking, 5grs was up at max, i pulled them before and loaded 25 at 3.8 and 25 at 4.2, i will sleep better tonight. thanks chet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124gr9mm Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, chetc said: hi Phil got scared on that load after thinking, 5grs was up at max, i pulled them before and loaded 25 at 3.8 and 25 at 4.2, i will sleep better tonight. thanks chet Good call Chet. I run 124 gr coated with Win 231 and 5.0 seems WAY hot...to me. For my Glock 14 I'm right at 4.0 gr, and I'm at 4.4 for my 9mm carbine, so I'd never go anywhere near 5.0. Doesn't mean someone can't safely go there, but it's too hot for my comfort... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenstone Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 (edited) 4.3 of HP-38 (same as W231) is the sweet spot for me, with 124-125 gr. coated bullets, both RN and TC. An OAL of 1.130" or as close to that length as possible for RN, and R-P cases works. Edited April 22, 2019 by Kenstone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George16 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 (edited) I load 4.1-4.2 Gr win231 @ 1.102-1.104 OAL for my Shadow 2. This is for 124 Gr TCFP @ 128-132 pf. You need to have a chrono to test your loads. Check also Lyman’s manual instead of relying on someone’s load on YouTube, Edited April 22, 2019 by George16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 29 minutes ago, George16 said: You need to have a chrono to test your loads. Check also Lyman’s manual instead of relying on someone’s load on YouTube, ^^^^^ ^^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dons Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Just finished this exact type of test. Based on a number of loading manuals, both new and old, 5.0 of 231 seemed midrange with a 115 FMJ bullet. But I got primer flow in my Kimber 1911 using Winchester small pistol primers. Pulling the bullets on your 5.0 load seems like a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClayBuster Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 I would have loaded 10 ea @ 4.2, 4.4, 4.6 and 4.8 then tried the 5.0 if the 4.8's were good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClayBuster Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 I also would have looked at the online data that said 4.4 was the max charge and assumed I should stay under that if I wasn't going to work up the load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Phil Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 18 hours ago, chetc said: hi Phil got scared on that load after thinking, 5grs was up at max, i pulled them before and loaded 25 at 3.8 and 25 at 4.2, i will sleep better tonight. thanks chet I shoot the same range with 125, 135 and now 105 and 96gr. All coated mostly in a revo but they will all run an auto. (although the 96gr loads aren't reliable.) The 105gr @ 3.4 is really soft for SC etc. We will all sleep better tonight, bro! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregJ Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 4.1gr with 124 gr Zero (actually weigh 125), 1.100, make 130PF out of my CZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmtyndall Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Just want to throw in that I've loaded 4.9-5.0gr under a 115 Xtreme plated. This was a moderate load, in the same ballpark as most factory ammo. With a 124gr bullet you'd be asking for trouble at 5.0gr. Use reliable sources. Youtube is not a source. In fact internet forums aren't a great source. But at least if you can find many data points from various sources all in the same ballpark you can make assumptions. Reloading manuals and powder manufacturer websites are pretty good sources. If you can't confirm a load in a manual or manufacturer's website, probably a good idea to stay clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandbagger123 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 (edited) only way to know for sure is to chrono. its a good investment if you reload . my bet is 5.0 231 124 coated out of a 4" gun will make about 1125 fps. also to alleviate the short oal on the PPQ chose a bullet with a different shape. Edited April 23, 2019 by Sandbagger123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKorn Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 I run 4.1 grains of 231 under a 125 grain blue bullet out of my Walther Q5. OAL 1.125. Last time I chronoed it ranged from 129.25 to 132.6 PF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispyrice Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 Out of my G17 I run 4.5gr 231 124gr coated at 1.135~OAL. AVG 1145fps SD 5 ES 15 AVG PF 142 from 10rn sample. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpm2953 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 I run 4.1gr with a 125gr Coated and 4.4gr with 124 plated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawadc95 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 4.1 gn of 231 with a 124 LRN from Badman, 1.135 OAL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odette Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 my wife got a new Springfield Hellcat Pro 9mm. I plan on reloading for it. I have 1000 mixed once fired brass, Extreme 124gn Plated HP's, OLD W231 powder and WSP primers. What is a good starting point? 4.0gn with plated? Also have 124gn Hornady XTP JHP, does anyone have old data for using old W231 powder and an XTP 124gn bullet? afraid of using new data as powder probably has changed. I am guessing powder is pre 1996, cans are unopened and powder seems fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHI Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) win 231/HP38 powder has not changed. Edited May 11, 2022 by AHI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysrracer Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 Name: 9mm: 124gr Zero RN: Win 231 4.2gr: Mix Case: OAL 1.14 Notes: Para 1911 5" Shots: 5 Average: 1080 ft/s SD: 20 ft/s Min: 1043 ft/s Max: 1097 ft/s Spread: 54 ft/s Power Factor Average: 133 Power Factor Low: 129 Power Factor High: 136 Barometric Pressure: 30 in Hg Temperature: 63 F Weight: 124.0 gr. Powder/Wt: Win 231 / 4.2 Bullet/Wt: Zero / 124 Primer: CCI SPP OAL: 1.14 Gun: Para 5" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnePivot Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 4.4gr at 1.125" is a max load and makes 31,200 psi. Your load is a +p+ nuclear load of unknown pressure or velocity, probably dangerous. All powder manufacturs list data on their website... Always good to check. 231 isn't a good overpressure powder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Chimpo Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 On 4/21/2019 at 3:21 PM, chetc said: i read on youtube That last place you should ever go for anything to do with reloading is there. In fact, when it comes to ammo I trust nothing that I didn't come up with from scratch using legit reloading manuals as a starting point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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