rowdyb Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 And yes, I saw the gun where the guide rod tunnel with lightening cut on a Shadow 2 used without a buffer eventually broke after a year and half. This rare but actual occurrence could have been totally mitigated by allowing guns based on their presence on the Prod approved list alone, rather than also adding an artificial weight ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 It does not make much sense. The name ‘Carry Optics’, implied a light-weight gun that would be carried for every day use. But that concept went out the window with the 140mm magazines and higher capacity. With all the other alterations that have been made to the division, removing the weight limit would seem to be a reasonable change to make. As long as the base gun is on the Production list then I think it should be good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrecks Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 I don't know, there's a certain fun aspect to getting a gun to make weight just barely. The thrill of the build. But TBH the weight limit is self-enforcing because even my 41oz CO AccuShadow feels so much more agile than my 44.8oz S2. I can't imagine how clunky the CZC A01 in CO with it's 51oz base weight with regular base pads would feel. Would be like trying to transition targets holding a sledgehammer. If CO followed production rules for weight then you'd have to address the mag limits too, which I don't like. CO as Poor Man's Open is fine for me, I like having a lot of rounds in the mag. Removing weight would start an arm's race to make more heavy ass 9mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 18. +5 oz over listed weight, or 45oz whichever is greater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 25 minutes ago, Wrecks said: I can't imagine how clunky the CZC A01 in CO with it's 51oz base weight with regular base pads would feel. Would be like trying to transition targets holding a sledgehammer. You haven’t handled many of the steel-grip equipped limited guns that are currently in fashion. Many of them are high 40s to mid 50s on weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 On 5/19/2019 at 11:23 PM, BritinUSA said: It does not make much sense. The name ‘Carry Optics’, implied a light-weight gun that would be carried for every day use. But that concept went out the window with the 140mm magazines and higher capacity. With all the other alterations that have been made to the division, removing the weight limit would seem to be a reasonable change to make. As long as the base gun is on the Production list then I think it should be good to go. This. Some would ask/wonder if there was any reason for the initial weight limit? Was anyone in the industry pushing for a weight limit because they had a new, lightweight, optic ready gun that they wanted to sell a lot of? Was there any deals made? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 (edited) name change that won't hurt anyone would be renaming it Production Optics. Get's uspsa/ipsc division name for it closer to all on the same page and let IPDA call theirs "carry". rules clarification. if your gun in on the Prod list you can shoot it in Prod optic with the factory version of it or with your own cut/plate. rules clarification. gun, optic and empty 140 mag must weigh within 4 oz of the Production gun weight. keeping it close to the weight rule already in place for Prod. this wouldn't exclude very many who already have invested in the gun(s) for the division. likely only those with a polymer gun who added considerable weight to it. and it would be fun to say you're shooting PO, pi$$ed off division. Edited May 21, 2019 by rowdyb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Never gonna happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric4069 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 (edited) On May 21, 2019 at 9:32 AM, B_RAD said: This. Some would ask/wonder if there was any reason for the initial weight limit? Was anyone in the industry pushing for a weight limit because they had a new, lightweight, optic ready gun that they wanted to sell a lot of? Was there any deals made? Remember the initial weight limit was just 35 oz , limit was increased to 45 oz partly so we wouldn’t all have to worry so much about making weight. Only a very few gun models have to worry about weight now, much easier than before. Edited May 22, 2019 by eric4069 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringram Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Just adopt ipsc rules. 15 round limit. Production list. Easy fix. After all what does the fcuker weigh with a full 140mm mag and 154g syntech in it! Kind of makes the weight limit of the gun pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrecks Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 59 minutes ago, ringram said: Just adopt ipsc rules. 15 round limit. Production list. Easy fix. After all what does the fcuker weigh with a full 140mm mag and 154g syntech in it! Kind of makes the weight limit of the gun pointless. Here ya go fam +22 rounds 150g Syntech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringram Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Internal slide lightening? But yeah, in use weight is not 45Oz, its 55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGGUNS Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Just go mine back today from CZC. Had some room to spare with DPP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcc7x7 Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Brand new to CZ so here goes!!!! Bought a Shadow2 , gray receiver blued upper. Want to use it for C/O Have a mill. Easiest way to loose weight? Take the weight out of the receiver dust cover? i.e. almost no set up, done quick all at once and ready to go (at least weight wise? Where do I get the lightweight LOK palm swells? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ontos Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 On 5/21/2019 at 1:43 PM, rowdyb said: name change that won't hurt anyone would be renaming it Production Optics. Get's uspsa/ipsc division name for it closer to all on the same page and let IPDA call theirs "carry". rules clarification. if your gun in on the Prod list you can shoot it in Prod optic with the factory version of it or with your own cut/plate. rules clarification. gun, optic and empty 140 mag must weigh within 4 oz of the Production gun weight. keeping it close to the weight rule already in place for Prod. this wouldn't exclude very many who already have invested in the gun(s) for the division. likely only those with a polymer gun who added considerable weight to it. and it would be fun to say you're shooting PO, pi$$ed off division. That makes way too much sense to ever happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ontos Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 I just had Fire4Effect build mine... So far I couldn’t be happier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 @Ontos show us some closeups of the front of the slide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Nevermind. Their instagram was faster. Some others... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ontos Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, MemphisMechanic said: Nevermind. Their instagram was faster. Some others... Ha! That’s actually my gun. Heres another pic if it helps, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenault Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 The one with the orange background is mine. I put bogie grips on it which is why it’s taken from that angle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ontos Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 25 minutes ago, chenault said: The one with the orange background is mine. I put bogie grips on it which is why it’s taken from that angle Nice... Yours must have been in the same batch. How are are you liking yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenault Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 3 hours ago, Ontos said: Nice... Yours must have been in the same batch. How are are you liking yours? I got mine a few weeks ago and so far I really like the gun. Switched from a x-5 so it’s taken a bit of adjustment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeIndy Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 The Henning grips have about .2 oz milled out of them too. The CGW guide rod should give me a little more wiggle room for a heavier optic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urmaker45 Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 On 5/31/2019 at 12:04 PM, Ontos said: I just had Fire4Effect build mine... So far I couldn’t be happier. That is one sweet s2 would that make it legal for carry optics in IDPA or does the slide cuts. She it illegal going by esp rules even tho it makes weight ? . Also what grips are those ? And cycling issues/ what recoil spring you using ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ontos Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 On 6/2/2019 at 1:34 PM, urmaker45 said: That is one sweet s2 would that make it legal for carry optics in IDPA or does the slide cuts. She it illegal going by esp rules even tho it makes weight ? . Also what grips are those ? And cycling issues/ what recoil spring you using ? Stock spring and zero issues with about 1k through it the last month. The grips are nice, and very pretty but I prefer the LOK thin Bogies so I’ll end up selling these. As far as IDPA, I have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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