Fasthenk65 Posted March 17, 2019 Author Share Posted March 17, 2019 Yeah. Both great. MPX seems to be faster? Or am I wrong? Link to comment
TNREDNECK Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Did you hear which one he owns, JP Link to comment
egd5 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 But his daughter Lena shoots MPX---National champ. Just sayin. I'm trying to decide which one to buy also. Not an easy decision. Link to comment
Cowboy1629 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Ford/Chevy, just pick one and bash the other. Just kidding... I picked JP and happy with my decision but would have been happy with MPX if it were as reliable as the JP has been out of the box. Great knowledge people at JP and more than willing to talk over the phone about their product. Link to comment
AustinWolv Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 10 hours ago, egd5 said: But his daughter Lena shoots MPX---National champ. Just sayin. I'm trying to decide which one to buy also. Not an easy decision. Expected to when sponsored by them. Link to comment
egd5 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Yes, but point is both are fine guns that work well for top shooters. Link to comment
Fasthenk65 Posted March 18, 2019 Author Share Posted March 18, 2019 Bit off topic but if I choose the JP should I go for 14.5 or 16" barrel? Any difference except that 14.5 is lighter and gas more faster transitions? We shoot mostly pistol like stages here in Europe.. Link to comment
Neomet Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 The only advantage to the 16" is you can change comps easier. I've shot my 14.5 out to 200 meters with no issues. Link to comment
Fasthenk65 Posted March 18, 2019 Author Share Posted March 18, 2019 Tnx Neomet! First batch arriving in Netherlands = 16" better wait till the 14" then (with titanium comp and the side charging handle) Link to comment
Old3GNR Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 I have a JP GMR-13. Over 8000 rounds and several matches. I've had two malfunctions, 1 primer didn't go bang and somehow a .380 case got through my ammo check. Link to comment
Acer2428 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Lots of people on this forum have gone from an AR9 (and a few from JP) to MPX's. Anyone go from an MPX to a JP? I think we have one or two tops. JP build quality is fantastic, but they didn't change the physics involved. Frankly, the people who seem to have MPX issues are generally either mechanically inept, power-floor scrapers, or lazy and fail to clean their match equipment somewhat regularly. The MPX really isn't 'hard' to clean, but a blowback AR is just very, very simple/easier to clean. Basing your competition equipment purchase on 'which one don't I have to clean' is insane to me, but to each their own I suppose. I want the fastest horse, even if it requires some extra hay. Link to comment
Fasthenk65 Posted March 19, 2019 Author Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Acer2428 said: Lots of people on this forum have gone from an AR9 (and a few from JP) to MPX's. Anyone go from an MPX to a JP? I think we have one or two tops. JP build quality is fantastic, but they didn't change the physics involved. Frankly, the people who seem to have MPX issues are generally either mechanically inept, power-floor scrapers, or lazy and fail to clean their match equipment somewhat regularly. The MPX really isn't 'hard' to clean, but a blowback AR is just very, very simple/easier to clean. Basing your competition equipment purchase on 'which one don't I have to clean' is insane to me, but to each their own I suppose. I want the fastest horse, even if it requires some extra hay. even if it requires steroids Link to comment
Fasthenk65 Posted March 19, 2019 Author Share Posted March 19, 2019 Anyway. Thursday I report back after shooting them both. It's not cleaning what bothers me, it's reliability and parts availability. Will learn all this on Thursday. Dealer willing to sell me both (has both in stock), shoots them both and lies them both to make it more difficult. So shooting should make my decision easy I hope. If MPX faster (I don't care about recoil) then MPX or the other way around the JP. If JP I only have to decide on barrel length. Dealer has 16" in stock while I think (opinion Josh Froelich in interview!) that 14.5 is way to go? Since I'm new to the game I also wonder if (like pistols) you should stick to one platform and practice until death or if it would be relatively easy to go from a blow back to a sig and vice versa. So many questions if you are new to PCC... Want to shoot Tnx all! Link to comment
ClangClang Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 25 minutes ago, Fasthenk65 said: Anyway. Thursday I report back after shooting them both. It's not cleaning what bothers me, it's reliability and parts availability. Will learn all this on Thursday. Dealer willing to sell me both (has both in stock), shoots them both and lies them both to make it more difficult. So shooting should make my decision easy I hope. If MPX faster (I don't care about recoil) then MPX or the other way around the JP. If JP I only have to decide on barrel length. Dealer has 16" in stock while I think (opinion Josh Froelich in interview!) that 14.5 is way to go? Since I'm new to the game I also wonder if (like pistols) you should stick to one platform and practice until death or if it would be relatively easy to go from a blow back to a sig and vice versa. So many questions if you are new to PCC... Want to shoot Tnx all! Here in the US, most people choose barrel length on rifles based on legality issues. The minimum barrel length on a rifle is 16" unless you want to jump through some hoops, bureaucratic paperwork, and pay a $200 tax stamp to have the rifle approved as a Short Barreled Rifle. So for anyone who likes to play with their gear and change things up, the logical choice would be a 16". Then you can have an unwelded brake and remove/install it any time. If we buy the 14.5" version, the brake must be welded on permanently. So even though the 14.5" swings maybe 5% faster. many Americans would choose the 16" for convenience. I don't know what laws you deal with in the EU that may or may not influence your choice, but generally speaking, shorter is preferable for a PCC. Go 14.5". Link to comment
Fasthenk65 Posted March 19, 2019 Author Share Posted March 19, 2019 40 minutes ago, ClangClang said: Here in the US, most people choose barrel length on rifles based on legality issues. The minimum barrel length on a rifle is 16" unless you want to jump through some hoops, bureaucratic paperwork, and pay a $200 tax stamp to have the rifle approved as a Short Barreled Rifle. So for anyone who likes to play with their gear and change things up, the logical choice would be a 16". Then you can have an unwelded brake and remove/install it any time. If we buy the 14.5" version, the brake must be welded on permanently. So even though the 14.5" swings maybe 5% faster. many Americans would choose the 16" for convenience. I don't know what laws you deal with in the EU that may or may not influence your choice, but generally speaking, shorter is preferable for a PCC. Go 14.5". Tnx! we need a minimum overall length but 14.5 will do! Link to comment
TNREDNECK Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 I would agree with the 14.5 , I love mine and also like the titanium comp . Oh yea Lena is the lady’s champ whatever she shoots, Sig just came up with the most cheese Lol Link to comment
Neomet Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Agreed. I would not consider the use by a top shooter as proof that one brand or design is better than another. Max L crushed us all with his Frankengun. Max L crushes all of his with his Limcat Tron. I would not bet against him with a Kel Tec Sub 2000. Sponsorship opportunities are normally the deciding factor for them. Don't believe me? Go ask Eric Grauffel at his new EG/CZ training facility in France. Link to comment
NervousEnergy Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Yep... many shooters have reported that they feel considerably less recoil impulse from the MPX and the same or less dot bounce, but the actual times change little or not at all. I much prefer my MPX to any blowback I've tried, but I don't think it makes me a faster competitor. I love the non-existent recoil impulse and the great reliability. Yes, reliability. Mine has been as or more reliable than any of the blowback guns at matches. Run reasonably hot ammo (I don't reload - only shoot factory 115, so it's typically pretty hot), and clean the gun. Two pretty simple things, and the MPX will treat you to fun stage after fun stage. Link to comment
TNREDNECK Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 I guess that’s the funny thing in a match there is no recoil for me just dot movement, my son shoots a frankengun with a blitkreig and I shoot a JP with SCS he says his is softer I can’t tell the difference. We shoot the same ammo he loads for us ,both guns tuned for it, there seems to be a chance that it’s just what each person likes and what there expectations are . Also he is much better shooter then I am so he has a better feel for the difference. Link to comment
egd5 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 10 hours ago, TNREDNECK said: I guess that’s the funny thing in a match there is no recoil for me just dot movement, my son shoots a frankengun with a blitkreig and I shoot a JP with SCS he says his is softer I can’t tell the difference. We shoot the same ammo he loads for us ,both guns tuned for it, there seems to be a chance that it’s just what each person likes and what there expectations are . Also he is much better shooter then I am so he has a better feel for the difference. Yes---dot movement-- That's the key issue, IMO. I'm trying to decide between the jp and mpx and it's a tough decision, so many happy shooters of both systems. I've shot a jp, now I'm trying to find an mpx to shoot. Link to comment
Underwood Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 I bought both.. Used both .. I have sold the other and only use the MPX.. over 8k rounds still going strong.. Link to comment
TNREDNECK Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 For me the JP just feels right , the support that is available to you with JP is not available with MPX . And the JP is all American and they do one thing rifles . But of course that goes back to the Ford VS Chevy . Link to comment
Fasthenk65 Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 So. Both shoot perfectly. MPX softer, faster I don't know. I decided to buy both, shoot both, make my final decision after months of shooting and experimenting. Them, I sell one and buy a (used) back-up from preferred rifle. It's the expensive way maybe but dealer says there is such a shortage in PCC rifles that I will loose nearly nothing. And I want to be sure, getting older and want the best... Keep you all informed. Tnx to all who contributed, much appreciated! Link to comment
Underwood Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 5 hours ago, Fasthenk65 said: So. Both shoot perfectly. MPX softer, faster I don't know. I decided to buy both, shoot both, make my final decision after months of shooting and experimenting. Them, I sell one and buy a (used) back-up from preferred rifle. It's the expensive way maybe but dealer says there is such a shortage in PCC rifles that I will loose nearly nothing. And I want to be sure, getting older and want the best... Keep you all informed. Tnx to all who contributed, much appreciated! good idea... be sure and post pictures Link to comment
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