Max It Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 HI Ya, I have tried to use my new Beretta 92FS in a few steel matches. However after 10 years of using a Springfield XD9 I find it real difficult to start with the safety on as the range officer requested. Is that necessary? Or am I legit to start hammer down in double action mode? much obliged, Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 what ever sport you are in should have a published rule book. Start positions should be spelled out pretty clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Yep gonna depend on the match rules. Uspsa hammer down safety off is fine. But other rule sets, who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 7 hours ago, Max It said: I find it difficult to start with the safety on as the RO requested. Check with the Match Director. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 5 hours ago, Hi-Power Jack said: Check with the Match Director. Especially if it’s just a “steel” match. Those can be different from place to place. But if it’s STEEL CHALLENGE then look up the rules and follow them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max It Posted January 26, 2019 Author Share Posted January 26, 2019 Good, so far I only did this once. but now aware I will ask at beginning of match. this gives me the option of switching to a different 9mm before we start. Much obliged, Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solairefastora Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 If it’s that big of a deal, Im pretty sure putting in a G model conversion voids the need to start safety on(for obvious reasons). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus319 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 I shoot Steel Challenge and it’s hammer down safety off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elguapo Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Find some other type of competition which has a legit rulebook instead of people making up rules as they go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff O Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 (edited) On 1/25/2019 at 11:54 PM, Max It said: HI Ya, I have tried to use my new Beretta 92FS in a few steel matches. However after 10 years of using a Springfield XD9 I find it real difficult to start with the safety on as the range officer requested. Is that necessary? Or am I legit to start hammer down in double action mode? much obliged, Max Hammer down is required for Production in SCSA. I'm an RO. Edited February 21, 2021 by Jeff O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff O Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 On 3/10/2019 at 9:52 PM, Demus319 said: I shoot Steel Challenge and it’s hammer down safety off. Not for Limited. On 1/26/2019 at 1:53 AM, RJH said: Yep gonna depend on the match rules. Uspsa hammer down safety off is fine. But other rule sets, who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff O Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Again since there's no PF in SCSA cocked and locked is OK for Limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertg5322 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 (edited) On 2/21/2019 at 3:25 PM, Solairefastora said: If it’s that big of a deal, Im pretty sure putting in a G model conversion voids the need to start safety on(for obvious reasons). This ^^^ is the answer you seek. It takes ridiculous rules about thumb safeties, made by people with no idea what they're talking about out of the equation. Also makes the gun much nicer, and is how Beretta should have made the gun in the first place in my opinion. While these guns don't jam much, when they do, you stand a good chance of decocking the gun and engaging the safety when you clear any jam you may have. Making it a G model (decocker only, no safety function on the decocker lever) eliminates this possibility. You may find yourself in DA mode, but all you have to do to clear that is pull the trigger. Edited March 20, 2021 by robertg5322 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18111811 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 19 hours ago, robertg5322 said: This ^^^ is the answer you seek. It takes ridiculous rules about thumb safeties, made by people with no idea what they're talking about out of the equation. Also makes the gun much nicer, and is how Beretta should have made the gun in the first place in my opinion. While these guns don't jam much, when they do, you stand a good chance of decocking the gun and engaging the safety when you clear any jam you may have. Making it a G model (decocker only, no safety function on the decocker lever) eliminates this possibility. You may find yourself in DA mode, but all you have to do to clear that is pull the trigger. I dont think thats allowed from appendix D4 22.1 Disabling of any external safety or externally operated safety External and externally operated safety mechanisms must remain operable. Special Notes/Clarifications: • For purposes of this clause, a “trigger safety” is externally visible, and must remain operable. • For purposes of this clause, the prohibition on “disabling” means that you may NOT modify an external safety mechanism in any way that affects its function as a safety per the OFM design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertg5322 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 1 hour ago, 18111811 said: I dont think thats allowed from appendix D4 22.1 Disabling of any external safety or externally operated safety External and externally operated safety mechanisms must remain operable. Special Notes/Clarifications: • For purposes of this clause, a “trigger safety” is externally visible, and must remain operable. • For purposes of this clause, the prohibition on “disabling” means that you may NOT modify an external safety mechanism in any way that affects its function as a safety per the OFM design. It is allowed, specifically asked and answered a couple if years ago in the USPSA magazine. You're simply using factory parts to put the gun in the condition of a G model factory gun. It's as legal as an actual G model gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT_Schultz Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 On 1/26/2019 at 7:15 AM, Hi-Power Jack said: Check with the Match Director. NO. DON'T do that. That's why we have rulebooks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18111811 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 17 hours ago, robertg5322 said: It is allowed, specifically asked and answered a couple if years ago in the USPSA magazine. You're simply using factory parts to put the gun in the condition of a G model factory gun. It's as legal as an actual G model gun. Can you tell me what month the magazine was as a reference? The range master at a level 2 last fall gave me that info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertg5322 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, 18111811 said: Can you tell me what month the magazine was as a reference? The range master at a level 2 last fall gave me that info. I cannot, but I can direct you to this thread on this site which includes an e mail from Troy McManus specifically stating that the conversion is simply using OEM parts to make an FS a G model. Scroll to the second to last post. Still looking for something official from the USPSA or NROI website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertg5322 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 On 3/21/2021 at 8:42 AM, 18111811 said: Can you tell me what month the magazine was as a reference? The range master at a level 2 last fall gave me that info. This from Troy McManus, HMFIC @ NROI. My inquiry: I remember reading a few years ago either in the magazine or on the NROI site that the G conversion for Beretta pistols was legal, as it was essentially using factory parts to convert an FS pistol (decocker/safety) to a G (decocker only). I can't find anything official on this, and can't remember the details of where I read that it was an approved modification. Second to last post on Brianenos.com post here has a caption of an e mail from Troy McManus stating this, but I could find nothing else corroborating this. Is there any documentation for this decision? Thanks. Response: Troy McManus <rules@uspsa.org> 3:49 PM (15 minutes ago) to me, support It's in the rulebook. Small parts, internal parts, etc., can be swapped providing that the swap doesn't render the gun ineligible for the division. Troy — Troy McManus Director, National Range Officers Institute https://nroi.org https://uspsa.org/ https://steelchallenge.com/ "I prefer dangerous freedom to peaceful slavery". Thomas Jefferson Audemus jura nostra defendere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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