bdpaz Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 19 minutes ago, Acer2428 said: Right, he's saying you cannot use a TERM to describe a start position, you have to spell it out. Not that the position itself is off-limits. As long as it's safe, I don't see an issue with any rando start position, but it has to be spelled out. I'm also surprised we don't see more unloaded/mags on belt starts for PCC. How do know that is what he is saying? He explicitly gives "Trail Carry" as an example of a "weird carry method", not as an example of an ambiguous description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acer2428 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 I missed the handling part, just saw it as could not be mandated for start position via a term. I struggled with it for a bit, but could you make a pistol shooter start with it unholstered, loaded in weak hand? Seems that would be the parallel here. However a weak hand grip on handguard and strong hand relaxed at side OR loaded, stock on belt with weak hand above shoulders both seem like viable modified, but similar starts to common pistol positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HCH Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 hours ago, bdpaz said: How do know that is what he is saying? He explicitly gives "Trail Carry" as an example of a "weird carry method", not as an example of an ambiguous description. I want to know what the definition of “weird carry method” is. Also, I thought the online-only rule book was supposed to do away with random letters, definitions, and opinions floating around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HCH Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Acer2428 said: I missed the handling part, just saw it as could not be mandated for start position via a term. I struggled with it for a bit, but could you make a pistol shooter start with it unholstered, loaded in weak hand? Seems that would be the parallel here. However a weak hand grip on handguard and strong hand relaxed at side OR loaded, stock on belt with weak hand above shoulders both seem like viable modified, but similar starts to common pistol positions. While I do not agree with the rule at all, 8.2.4.1 says “a course of fire must never require a competitor to start with the carbine held on the weak side,” so I would have to say trail carry with the strong hand would be legal, while weak hand would not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Somebody please post the (Beating Dead Horse) pic again !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Acer2428 said: I struggled with it for a bit, but could you make a pistol shooter start with it unholstered, loaded in weak hand? Seems that would be the parallel here. No. Because you can never start a COF by touching your pistol or ammo. It's not really a parallel as it's a different set of rules. Edited January 18, 2019 by d_striker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 24 minutes ago, HCH said: While I do not agree with the rule at all, 8.2.4.1 says “a course of fire must never require a competitor to start with the carbine held on the weak side,” so I would have to say trail carry with the strong hand would be legal, while weak hand would not. The WSB could simply say "holding PCC by handguard in either hand." Then it is up to the competitor to carry it in their weak hand if they choose to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HCH Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 58 minutes ago, d_striker said: The WSB could simply say "holding PCC by handguard in either hand." Then it is up to the competitor to carry it in their weak hand if they choose to. No. That’s tooooooooooo weirrrrrd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Scott Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 3 hours ago, d_striker said: The WSB could simply say "holding PCC by handguard in either hand." Then it is up to the competitor to carry it in their weak hand if they choose to. What do you do with a PCC shooter whos gun has no handguard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Patrick Scott said: What do you do with a PCC shooter whos gun has no handguard? Good question. I've never seen PCC without some sort of handguard/forestock. What does such a thing look like? Edited January 19, 2019 by d_striker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Scott Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, d_striker said: Good question. I've never seen PCC without some sort of handguard/forestock. What does such a thing look like? Ive seen pics of folks running the taccom aluminum barrel setup with no handguard on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Here are a couple examples... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HCH Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 hour ago, ChuckS said: Here are a couple examples... What exactly is going on behind the trigger guard on those rifles?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 6 hours ago, HCH said: What exactly is going on behind the trigger guard on those rifles?? California Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 19 hours ago, ChuckS said: Here are a couple examples... That foam sure looks like a handguard to me. Even being sold as such. https://taccom3g.com/product/foam-handguard/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Yep those are foam hanguards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanatos903 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 I think I'm probably the closest to running a Taccom without a handguard, but I still put my hand out there. The meaning of the WSB is the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPENB Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Unless you are grabbing a barrel, you are grabbing a handguard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SufferInSilence Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 On 1/19/2019 at 12:43 AM, ChuckS said: Here are a couple examples... Grab in front the magwell. Easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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