Pickin Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) Hello, Been shooting USPSA for about a year to year and a half now on and off when I could get days off to go shoot. Now that I work Monday to Friday, I am able to make TONS more matches. I just recently got my USPSA membership. I currently have 2 classifiers in Limited Minor. I am shooting a CZ TSO in 9mm, which is what I also use for Multigun. I end up mid pack overall and right around top 5 for Limited with my current set up. I am thinking about buying the CZ TS complete slide in 40 so I am able to compete with Major PF. By going to Major PF, do I lose my classifiers (still in Limited)? Would it be worth it to buy the slide? Edited December 12, 2018 by Pickin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcc7x7 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Classifiers are fine you won't lose them. Look at your number of c hits and add a point for each one, two point for each d hit then re calculate your hit factors and compare them to each stage compared to the other shooters or do it the easy way! Buy the 40 upper and know that the MAJORITY of limited shooters shoot major The cost of points is way to costly to shoot minor.FWIW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) Your classifiers are all in Limited division. You were scored the day of the match using minor scoring, because you weren’t shooting a .40 We often talk like “Limited minor” is it’s own division, like Limited 10 is, but that isn’t the case. The primary advantage of Major is how little C’s hurt you. On a classifier with partial targets, you get to delibrately shoot fast agressive C-zone hits well away from the noshoot. The shorter stage times more than make up for the small loss in points. Edited December 12, 2018 by MemphisMechanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 It's more than just "buying a new slide" - you'll need to start reloading .40 Major, also and new mags. If you're having a lot of fun shooting Ltd Minor, keep at it. If you are tired of coming in 5th, instead of 1st or 2nd, get the .40 and learn how to reload it (it's a little trickier than 9mm minor). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 36 minutes ago, Hi-Power Jack said: you'll need to start reloading .40 Major, also and new mags. Why? I've never heard of factory 40 which doesn't make major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 1 hour ago, kneelingatlas said: Why? I've never heard of factory 40 which doesn't make major. Most likely the opposite problem. Rather than having a tough time finding a .40 factory load that makes Major, most of them are too hot - PF of 180+. The same with factory .45 ammo - standard is about PF 191 - that's why almost everyone who shoots SS is loading their .45 DOWN to PF 168 - 172. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davsco Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 what jack said. factory loads are generally somewhat hotter than the major power factor floor, so more recoil and thus slower or less accurate double taps. if you don't want to reload, check out atlanta arms, they make 40 major that is just a little above the major power factor floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickin Posted December 12, 2018 Author Share Posted December 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Hi-Power Jack said: It's more than just "buying a new slide" - you'll need to start reloading .40 Major, also and new mags. If you're having a lot of fun shooting Ltd Minor, keep at it. If you are tired of coming in 5th, instead of 1st or 2nd, get the .40 and learn how to reload it (it's a little trickier than 9mm minor). I don't mind 5th, I know with better foot work and being more explosive point to point, will help. And more A zone hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 By the time you buy the slide and barrel and have them fitted you are 2/3 or 3/4 of the way to a new gun. A whole new gun was the route I was told to take when I asked about the second slide at the custom shop. 4 hours ago, kneelingatlas said: Why? I've never heard of factory 40 which doesn't make major. WW Whitebox 165gr only made 164PF in my TS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 you are doing it wrong. the idea is not to try to do everything with one gun, but to own as many guns as possible. Just buy a TSO in 40 and git er done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 You can take that too far moto. Having four guns that do exactly the same thing is a waste. Once I had a specific pistol for each individual event/genre/sport, plus a backup for each, any new additions become excess. I still do it anyway, because I like building guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 You are completely incorrect. There is no such thing as wasted guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, motosapiens said: You are completely incorrect. There is no such thing as wasted guns. Explain the existance of a HiPoint to me then. That’s wasted. Could have made space in the safe for a quality firearm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickin Posted December 12, 2018 Author Share Posted December 12, 2018 3 hours ago, zzt said: By the time you buy the slide and barrel and have them fitted you are 2/3 or 3/4 of the way to a new gun. A whole new gun was the route I was told to take when I asked about the second slide at the custom shop. The barrel, and guide rod come in the assembly. The 40 is ready to go minus magazines. All in all it will be an investment of about 500 bucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 P, the barrel and slide have to be fit to the frame. That was $200 bucks when I asked. New TS 40s have sold for as low as $900. So to me, spending 700/800 on a new upper vs. 900/1000 for a whole new gun makes no sense. Especially when you consider the new gun comes with three mags. So instead of 700/800 you're at 850/950 for the fitted upper plus mags. Even if you spend $1200 for the TS, you still come out ahead, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickin Posted December 12, 2018 Author Share Posted December 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, zzt said: P, the barrel and slide have to be fit to the frame. That was $200 bucks when I asked. New TS 40s have sold for as low as $900. So to me, spending 700/800 on a new upper vs. 900/1000 for a whole new gun makes no sense. Especially when you consider the new gun comes with three mags. So instead of 700/800 you're at 850/950 for the fitted upper plus mags. Even if you spend $1200 for the TS, you still come out ahead, IMO. I sent out an email to the online store asking if it needed to be fit and they said no. But you're right. Investing that much, I could buy a whole new gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 7 hours ago, Hi-Power Jack said: Most likely the opposite problem. Rather than having a tough time finding a .40 factory load that makes Major, most of them are too hot - PF of 180+. The same with factory .45 ammo - standard is about PF 191 - that's why almost everyone who shoots SS is loading their .45 DOWN to PF 168 - 172. I shot factory 40 at 180pf in my TS when I first started shooting Limited; sure, handloads are softer, but I wouldn't call it a necessity. Maybe I'm just ultra manly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 1 hour ago, kneelingatlas said: Maybe I'm just ultra manly I guess you've seen the video of the guy using a .454 for action pistol ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Hi-Power Jack said: I guess you've seen the video of the guy using a .454 for action pistol ? 500 S&W Magnum: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFO Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 On 12/12/2018 at 11:34 AM, MemphisMechanic said: Explain the existance of a HiPoint to me then. That’s wasted. Could have made space in the safe for a quality firearm. Once you remove the firing pin, the Hi-Point is a perfectly good handgun-shaped doorstop and/or paperweight. And then it doesn't need to take up space in the safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilrb Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 On 12/11/2018 at 11:04 PM, Pickin said: Hello, Been shooting USPSA for about a year to year and a half now on and off when I could get days off to go shoot. Now that I work Monday to Friday, I am able to make TONS more matches. I just recently got my USPSA membership. I currently have 2 classifiers in Limited Minor. I am shooting a CZ TSO in 9mm, which is what I also use for Multigun. I end up mid pack overall and right around top 5 for Limited with my current set up. I am thinking about buying the CZ TS complete slide in 40 so I am able to compete with Major PF. By going to Major PF, do I lose my classifiers (still in Limited)? Would it be worth it to buy the slide? On 12/12/2018 at 2:32 PM, Pickin said: The barrel, and guide rod come in the assembly. The 40 is ready to go minus magazines. All in all it will be an investment of about 500 bucks I just bought a complete .40 for my TS less magazines for $400 and was practically brand new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyingpig Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Buy a Shadow 2 and shoot production. Then get a couple of extended magazines for three gun. Problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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