tbarker13 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 So I'm having some weight issues. I have a S2 that just came back from CGW. Using their new polymer guide rod, a Deltapoint Pro, thin safeties and 17-round mecgars with Henning pasepads, I'm at 1,300 grams o 45.85 ounces. I can switch to Lok's lightweight palmswell grips to save 22 grams. That would bring me to 1,278 grams or 45.08 ounces. I can probably get under weight if I remove the front sight - but not enough to really feel comfortable. (I'm trying to avoid removing the DP pro's metal cover.) I wonder if anyone has done any weight comparisons on mag/basepad combos. What's the lightest option, still using aluminum basepads? The 17-round mecgars with Hennings are 106 grams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneBray Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 What type of mount for DPP? Dove tail mount or milled?Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbarker13 Posted December 3, 2018 Author Share Posted December 3, 2018 It is milled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threat Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Getting an S2 to make weight with a DPP is frustrating. Here are the steps I had to take. Mill Optic into gun as low as possible Mill out dustcover Mill top lightening cut Remove optic shroud (saves .4oz) Plastic grips (3d printed) HUGE weights savings here TTI 140mm basepads with grams spring and follower Thin Safety Result was 44.5oz IIRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Dot Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) Not what you wanna hear, but CZ 18round mags and +2 basepads will be about a half oz lighter than the MG17+Henning pads. If I had known this earlier, I would have gone this route. And still might to be honest. but it’s surely doable if you’re willing to make it work. I designed this optic cut a bit differently, as deep as I was able to go without breaking through the FP channel. CGW internals and RRK trigger. NO additional slide cuts or milling anywhere. Edited December 3, 2018 by Red_Dot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbarker13 Posted December 3, 2018 Author Share Posted December 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Red_Dot said: Not what you wanna hear, but CZ 18round mags and +2 basepads will be about a half oz lighter than the MG17+Henning pads. If I had known this earlier, I would have gone this route. And still might to be honest. Thanks. I'll check out that combination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clw42 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 8 hours ago, threat said: Remove optic shroud (saves .4oz) What size but did you use? Is it an odd size, because I've tried everything I can get my hands on and they're either too big or too small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robchavous Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 I had CZC do my slide milling. This is with a Henning +5/6 basepads with Grahams follower. The front sight is removed. I've got a Cajun plastic guide rod on the way that should knock a bit more off.Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ85Combat Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 4 hours ago, clw42 said: What size but did you use? Is it an odd size, because I've tried everything I can get my hands on and they're either too big or too small. The wrench is in the box that your Deltapoint Pro came in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneBray Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 I had CZC do my slide milling. This is with a Henning +5/6 basepads with Grahams follower. The front sight is removed. I've got a Cajun plastic guide rod on the way that should knock a bit more off.Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using TapatalkHope your scale and the match scale agree. 0.03 oz. isn’t much of an error to miss weight. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xdnok Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Definitely lose the shroud on the DPP and use the lightweight Loki palm swells for Shadow 2 and the lightweight grip screws that come with them. That should get you just under 45oz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robchavous Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Hope your scale and the match scale agree. 0.03 oz. isn’t much of an error to miss weight. Sent from my iPad using TapatalkWhich is why I have a poly guide rod on the way to replace the stainless one.Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clw42 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 hour ago, CZ85Combat said: The wrench is in the box that your Deltapoint Pro came in. Doh! Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannybot Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 11 hours ago, Red_Dot said: Not what you wanna hear, but CZ 18round mags and +2 basepads will be about a half oz lighter than the MG17+Henning pads. If I had known this earlier, I would have gone this route. And still might to be honest. but it’s surely doable if you’re willing to make it work. I designed this optic cut a bit differently, as deep as I was able to go without breaking through the FP channel. CGW internals and RRK trigger. NO additional slide cuts or milling anywhere. Where is your slide stop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneBray Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Which is why I have a poly guide rod on the way to replace the stainless one.Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk[emoji106][emoji106]Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George16 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Dannybot said: Where is your slide stop? He’s using a slide stop pin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Dot Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 4 hours ago, Dannybot said: Where is your slide stop? CZechmate slide stop pin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YVK Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 On 12/3/2018 at 9:40 PM, Red_Dot said: CZechmate slide stop pin I've hard time following all CO new rules. I presume it is CO legal because small parts change is OK now? To the point of the original discussion, it seems to me that the CZC extension is slightly lighter than Henning. I don't have a TTI one. My Shadow 2 rod + mag, with a DPP directly milled into it by Primary, with several slide lightening cuts, plastic guide rod, and fat Lok grips (0.6 oz) is currently at 45.3 oz. I am a bit reluctant to remove the shroud. Next step likely the scales, I need volume to my grips, flat Lok or Henning grips not enough. May have to have dust cover milled out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbarker13 Posted December 8, 2018 Author Share Posted December 8, 2018 8 hours ago, YVK said: I've hard time following all CO new rules. I presume it is CO legal because small parts change is OK now? To the point of the original discussion, it seems to me that the CZC extension is slightly lighter than Henning. I don't have a TTI one. My Shadow 2 rod + mag, with a DPP directly milled into it by Primary, with several slide lightening cuts, plastic guide rod, and fat Lok grips (0.6 oz) is currently at 45.3 oz. I am a bit reluctant to remove the shroud. Next step likely the scales, I need volume to my grips, flat Lok or Henning grips not enough. May have to have dust cover milled out. Have you looked at Lok's lightweight palm swell option? I have a set on order right now, along with the CZC baseplate/mag combo. Will see what those two changes do for my overall weight. I'll repost when I get these pieces in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robchavous Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 They hide these under the specialty section of the website.https://lokgrips.com/gun-grips/custom-grips/lightweight-cz-shadow-2-palm-swell-g10/Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YVK Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 15 hours ago, tbarker13 said: Have you looked at Lok's lightweight palm swell option? 6 hours ago, robchavous said: They hide these under the specialty section of the website.https://lokgrips.com/gun-grips/custom-grips/lightweight-cz-shadow-2-palm-swell-g10/ I didn't know those existed, thanks to both of you. I am not a big fan of a palm swell design, I like a uniform thickness. But I wonder if I could talk them into making a light weight version of what I have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Dot Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 (edited) On 12/7/2018 at 3:38 PM, YVK said: I've hard time following all CO new rules. I presume it is CO legal because small parts change is OK now? To the point of the original discussion, it seems to me that the CZC extension is slightly lighter than Henning. I don't have a TTI one. My Shadow 2 rod + mag, with a DPP directly milled into it by Primary, with several slide lightening cuts, plastic guide rod, and fat Lok grips (0.6 oz) is currently at 45.3 oz. I am a bit reluctant to remove the shroud. Next step likely the scales, I need volume to my grips, flat Lok or Henning grips not enough. May have to have dust cover milled out. It’s an OEM part replacing the stock slide stop. In my interpretation of the rules it’s good to go. I’ve not gotten challenged on it and if I do I believe I have a good case. What information from here makes you think the CZC is lighter than Henning? If you mean the CZ 18 round tubes and a +2 basepad you’re looking at a whole new set of mags as opposed to just a CZC +4 basepad Edited December 9, 2018 by Red_Dot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YVK Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 I figured that was the case. I ordered a couple of those pins on Friday, CZ USA had them in stock. Funny, they weren't in stock the day before. When weighing my own gun with a mecgar mag + CZC extension vs mecgar mag plus Henning extension, the former was lighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc1 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 On Monday, December 03, 2018 at 1:35 AM, threat said: Getting an S2 to make weight with a DPP is frustrating. Here are the steps I had to take. Mill Optic into gun as low as possible Mill out dustcover Mill top lightening cut Remove optic shroud (saves .4oz) Plastic grips (3d printed) HUGE weights savings here TTI 140mm basepads with grams spring and follower Thin Safety Result was 44.5oz IIRC With milling of the slide and weight distribution does it affect performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Dot Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 On 12/9/2018 at 2:27 PM, YVK said: When weighing my own gun with a mecgar mag + CZC extension vs mecgar mag plus Henning extension, the former was lighter. Do you remember by how much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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