abigger04 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Next year will be my third season in uspsa and my second season shooting open. One thing that I haven’t been able to nail down though is whether my belt is set up correctly for open division. What is the most efficient location for my magazine carriers and at which angle should my magazines be presented? Also, is there an advantage to a certain angle which the holster should be oriented? Photo attached for reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 The short answer is however you like.I have my gun behind the hip bone and straight up & down because I shoot multiple divisions and it’s easier to switch that way.Similar for mag pouches but I do have one in front for that.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Most everybody I know centers front mag on belly button and tilts it over further. This does two things. Allows lower reach to pull mag and makes it easy to get the belt and gear in the same position every time. My Third pouch is on hip straight up and second pouch splits difference on location and tilt. My holster is raked back a little more and just a touch more forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caspian guy Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 (edited) What you have looks fine. To a large extent most anything works fine with enough practice. You might try canting your holster so that the back strap of the grip of your pistol is more parallel to the ground (I find that helps me get a more consistent grip on the gun.) if you use a scoop draw something else might be better. My holster is positioned so that from a normal starting position of hands naturally at sides bringing my hand straight up and back down gets me a good grip on the gun. With my posture that puts the gun about where Matt1 above describes. My mag pouches are set so that the first one is located so that when I drop my hand straight down from my firing grip the mag is where my hand intersects my belt and angled like you have yours so that when I grab it my index finger is parallel to the spine of the mag. The rest are set at similar angles. Except the last one farthest to the back which is more vertical as Sarge describes. For reference I am a middle of the pack M so nothing special. Edited November 20, 2018 by caspian guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Obviously, tenths of seconds matter in this sport, so setting your gear up to cause less movement for your hands would be the faster way to go for sure. For me, since I also shoot 3gun, IDPA and carry daily at work, I keep mine all pretty much IDPA/single stack legal so there always in roughly the same spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perttime Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 One way to see the mag positions is to put them where your hand will naturally go, down and then backwards - keeping your wrist naturally straight. Looking at the photo, looks as if the magazines are pointing away from your body. Maybe too far to be legal? That might force you to turn your wrist to get a good grip with the index finger along the front of the mag. Let your hand and straight wrist be your guide..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abigger04 Posted November 20, 2018 Author Share Posted November 20, 2018 3 hours ago, perttime said: One way to see the mag positions is to put them where your hand will naturally go, down and then backwards - keeping your wrist naturally straight. Looking at the photo, looks as if the magazines are pointing away from your body. Maybe too far to be legal? That might force you to turn your wrist to get a good grip with the index finger along the front of the mag. Let your hand and straight wrist be your guide..... That is exactly what my problem has been. I’m having to turn my wrist and it’s awkward to draw a magazine. So I need to angle my magazines inward. I’ll try that tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacivilian Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Loosen them to the point you can move them with a little bit of force, play with your positioning until you can drop your weak hand straight to the magazine without breaking your wrist from being straight. Once you find that spot nothing else matters but practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powder Finger Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 (edited) the angles of pouches are best decided by the angle your hand hits the particular mag. so as Sarge said for the front mag if you lower your arm to that position without contorting the wrist you end up with a fairly flat angle. then just follow around the belt to see what angles are best at the other mags. guess that's just rewording of what perttime wrote. Edited November 21, 2018 by Powder Finger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perttime Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 On 11/20/2018 at 6:09 PM, abigger04 said: That is exactly what my problem has been. I’m having to turn my wrist and it’s awkward to draw a magazine. So I need to angle my magazines inward. I’ll try that tonight. Did you find comfortable adjustments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abigger04 Posted November 22, 2018 Author Share Posted November 22, 2018 8 hours ago, perttime said: Did you find comfortable adjustments? I think I’m on the right track! I angled my pouches inward somewhat and that has helped quite a bit with my magazine in the first position. That is where I have been having the most trouble. Also I observed what Sarge and Powder stated above. So, without breaking my weak hand wrist from a straight position, I moved my hand down to the first, second, and third magazine position and angled my magazine pouches to make a complimentary angle. With just a little bit of dry fire practice I can see that this is a more efficient way to align my magazines. I’ll probably make some finer adjustments later but this is starting to make sense. Thanks again to all for the advice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneexies Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 I have my first pouch dead center so it helps me always put my belt on properly, and I always have my mags angled to where my hand is naturally angled when I go down to reach. The first two are usually around 45 degrees, and my 9 o'clock pouch is pretty much straight up and down. That being said I have my belt so it velcro together dead center on my back, so I have room to put pouches in the front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock17open Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Add a magnet for open. In stages where you have barrel/table starts it's quicker to grab an go buy putting a mag on the magnet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpYoursPal Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 On 12/31/2018 at 1:48 PM, Glock17open said: Add a magnet for open. In stages where you have barrel/table starts it's quicker to grab an go buy putting a mag on the magnet Seconding this. I picked up one of the double alpha magnets from another shooter here and it has been very useful for table starts as well as centering my belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funflyr Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 On 12/31/2018 at 6:48 PM, Glock17open said: Add a magnet for open. In stages where you have barrel/table starts it's quicker to grab an go buy putting a mag on the magnet How do you add a magnet to a double alpha racer pouch? I can't even find the magnets for sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 https://www.shootersconnectionstore.com/Double-Alpha-Racer-PouchBlack-and-Magnet-Combo-P3209.aspx https://www.shootersconnectionstore.com/Double-Alpha-Magnet-for-Racer-Mag-Pouch-P4643.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock17open Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 hour ago, funflyr said: How do you add a magnet to a double alpha racer pouch? I can't even find the magnets for sale. They also make a magnet that attaches to you belt. That's what I have. It can be for on the Dawson percision website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 went and checked my old limited and open rigs. I use a wider duty belt buckled in the back,, but thats just personal.. However I thought yours looked a little off. 1 IMO your front mag pouch is on backwards,, take that thing apart flip it over and re attach.. " I have the open part facing up, not down... So you can grab mag and come straight up THROUGH the pouch,,,instead of haveing to grab,, pull left, then up.. Google images of the Safariland 771's.. Behind that I have a basic 2 pouch... cause honestly in open or limited if you are going for a second reload you are FUBAR'd anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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funflyr Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Sarge said: https://www.shootersconnectionstore.com/Double-Alpha-Racer-PouchBlack-and-Magnet-Combo-P3209.aspx https://www.shootersconnectionstore.com/Double-Alpha-Magnet-for-Racer-Mag-Pouch-P4643.aspx Thanks Sarge, seems like you're becoming my personal shooting mentor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AverageJoeShooting Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 this is for 3gun open since i havent shot a uspsa match yet, but i image the same concepts would apply. Holster is on right hip and tilted forward a little bit. I tilt my mags forward the opposite of yours because as my hand reaches back i want as little movement as possible in my actual reach. if i reach back and my last mag is tilted backwards i feel like i have to reach back even more to actually grab the mag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 4 hours ago, AverageJoeShooting said: this is for 3gun open since i havent shot a uspsa match yet, but i image the same concepts would apply. Holster is on right hip and tilted forward a little bit. I tilt my mags forward the opposite of yours because as my hand reaches back i want as little movement as possible in my actual reach. if i reach back and my last mag is tilted backwards i feel like i have to reach back even more to actually grab the mag. Uh.. holster tilted slightly back if anything. OP mags are correct. I have 3 pouches with #1 raked back a good bit, #2 raked about half that and #3 is straight up exactly on left hip. By tilting holster and pouches forward it takes unnatural wrist , hand and arm movements to get to them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawdustnsteel Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Lowe’s also sells big magnets with the steel covering they just have a hook center, snip it off and there is a predrill hole there, super easy to add to your kit without more than five bucks and ten minutes work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AverageJoeShooting Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 11 hours ago, Sarge said: Uh.. holster tilted slightly back if anything. OP mags are correct. I have 3 pouches with #1 raked back a good bit, #2 raked about half that and #3 is straight up exactly on left hip. By tilting holster and pouches forward it takes unnatural wrist , hand and arm movements to get to them ok i mean if that works i was just sharing what works for me. im a big dude with stubby arms, just makes it easier on my range of motion i tilt the holster forward because i used to carry a duty 1911 and if it was tilted forward a bit i could mash in the grip safety and get the perfect alignment in my hand as i drew old habits die hard i guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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