BigEar Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 hour ago, anbrumm said: I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this once you receive it. I think this model makes it a lot more likely that smaller volume shooters can afford one. Will definitely share my experience. It's not cheap even the manual model. Manual Rollsizer - USD590 9mm Conversion for Manual Rollsizer - USD84 38SC Conversion for Manual Rollsizer - USD84 Small Pistol Drop Tube - USD25 DHL International - USD106.95 TOTAL: USD889.95 (Definitely not cheap but still a lot less. I'm willing to give up the speed for the price as long as they work the same to the brass) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anbrumm Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Will definitely share my experience. It's not cheap even the manual model. Manual Rollsizer - USD590 9mm Conversion for Manual Rollsizer - USD84 38SC Conversion for Manual Rollsizer - USD84 Small Pistol Drop Tube - USD25 DHL International - USD106.95 TOTAL: USD889.95 (Definitely not cheap but still a lot less. I'm willing to give up the speed for the price as long as they work the same to the brass)Thanks for the update. I wonder if Immortobot will stock it before long. Thatd knock 100 off it. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximis228 Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 17 minutes ago, anbrumm said: Thanks for the update. I wonder if Immortobot will stock it before long. Thatd knock 100 off it. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk No it wont. It will just be built into the price like their other units are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEar Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 19 minutes ago, anbrumm said: Thanks for the update. I wonder if Immortobot will stock it before long. Thatd knock 100 off it. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk I doubt because Immortobot price is still little higher even one conversion plate is included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anbrumm Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 12 minutes ago, Maximis228 said: No it wont. It will just be built into the price like their other units are now. ahh yeah, I see that now. Depending what Immortobot charges to ship and their caliber conversions cost it might be just about a wash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltdmstr Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Got mine about a week ago. Price with shipping with an extra caliber (2 total) was $1980, and that was with the 5% SHOT Show discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABCDM Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 The Immortobot prices for the small unit is the same as the Rollsizer prices. The shipping from Virginia is going to be cheaper than from Australia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEar Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Yes, only have to wait a bit as even Kevin told me he's almost sold out in Australia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowBoost Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Does anyone need a 308 conversion (For commercial version)? I have a brand new one I will not use and will be getting a 5.56 instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEar Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) On 2/11/2019 at 3:08 PM, anbrumm said: I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this once you receive it. I think this model makes it a lot more likely that smaller volume shooters can afford one. I had received it today but Kevin forgot to put my 38SC conversion kit in the package. I'll just share my thought on the 9mm first. The package came with the Manual Rollsizer, small pistol drop tube, the plastic hose for the case feeder(If you have one), 4 spare screws, 2 hex tools & user manual. Surprisingly, after I had installed the drop tube, my DAA mini case feeder can just ride on the drop tube but with a little wobble. I had ordered an extra adapter from DAA and will figure it out to stabilize it. However, even with the little wobble the mini case feeder still work. (Update: After playing around with it for half an hour, just an O ring or a tiny rubber bend had solved the wobble 99%, let see if the adapter will be better) First impression, I rollsized about ten 9mm brass for testing purpose and I can say the crank effort required is minimal as stated. Compare with my Lee Bulge Buster which makes my hands tired in about a few rounds, the Manual Rollsizer almost do not required any effort at all. After rollsized the brass and resized them with Dillion press, the brass drop easily into my case gauge 100%. Then I used them to made dummy rounds and they all dropped freely to my case gauge. Much much much better results than the Lee Bulge Buster. I'm impressed with the results at this point. But still need the field test of the ammo to be sure. P.S. DAA USA is carrying them now, no need to wait for Immortobot. Manual Rollsizer In Action (Click to View) Edited February 19, 2019 by BigEar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowBoost Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Don't forget one more test... If your AOL gets more consistent as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEar Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, LowBoost said: Don't forget one more test... If your AOL gets more consistent as well. Had measured the OAL seems hasn't changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechanoset Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 On 2/19/2019 at 4:34 AM, LowBoost said: Don't forget one more test... If your AOL gets more consistent as well. There is one thing everyone here has forgotten or has not checked yet is the chronograph test. the cases will be more consistent and the velocity spread will be much tighter. The reduced full length sizing effort (because the cases are rolled) will also reduce the reloading effort especially on the 650's. my own match chrono loads came in with a 5fps spread on one gun, 8fps on the other, same load. OAL should be more consistent as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 While I only have experience with the CasePro, The only problem (?) with the Roll Sizer is that it doesn't condition the case rim like the CasePro. Probably not a problem with cases ejected into sand, but potentially a problem with cases ejected onto gravel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximis228 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 15 minutes ago, RePete said: While I only have experience with the CasePro, The only problem (?) with the Roll Sizer is that it doesn't condition the case rim like the CasePro. Probably not a problem with cases ejected into sand, but potentially a problem with cases ejected onto gravel. I shoot indoors for 95+% of all rounds fired during the year (9 Major & 40 Major). Only shoot majors outdoors really. This has never been an issue. It might be more noticeable in something like 38 S/SC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechanoset Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 27 minutes ago, RePete said: While I only have experience with the CasePro, The only problem (?) with the Roll Sizer is that it doesn't condition the case rim like the CasePro. Probably not a problem with cases ejected into sand, but potentially a problem with cases ejected onto gravel. I haven't had much problem with my 38SC brass, it's been reloaded 30+ times....our range is an ex hard rock quarry....it gets scratched up if it is run over a few too many times but not found much of a problem with the rims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyScuba Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 This is from the last page of the rollsizer manual. Quote 12. Why don’t you offer rim rolling in your Rollsizer? A. Simply put, rollsizer.com does not believe rim rolling is required in 99.9% of applications. The vast majority of issues identified by reloaders as “Rim Bulge” related were in fact due to the cases being formed incorrectly. The rollsizer.com machine was developed to address this issue and has been a significant success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechanoset Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 As a mechanical engineer I did a lot of research on the case shapes and problem ammunition. I have books of the records. Boring as hell, but made a few test jigs and proved this eccentric issue and disproved the bulged rim. One place that has flogged out MG's 'does have bulged rims. But that is the exception Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEar Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 When I pushed through the rounds from Lee Bulge buster some rounds still not pass the case gauge or barrel chamber, the rim sticks out and I also thought it's the rim problem. But after rollsized the same brass then a normal resizing, it drops 100% on both gauge & chamber. Then I know the push through is not doing a very good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36873687 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 I just loaded 5 k an brass was roll sized on roll sizer. Only 4 didn’t pass hundo. That’s best ratio I’ve ever gotten. An 3 passed plunk test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechanoset Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Hundo's and Shockbottle gauges are.proper case gauges, which work to SAAMI specs. I suppose a 0.02% failure is ok. I have had new factory fail 4% at a match in Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anbrumm Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 On 2/18/2019 at 2:26 PM, BigEar said: I had received it today but Kevin forgot to put my 38SC conversion kit in the package. I'll just share my thought on the 9mm first. The package came with the Manual Rollsizer, small pistol drop tube, the plastic hose for the case feeder(If you have one), 4 spare screws, 2 hex tools & user manual. Surprisingly, after I had installed the drop tube, my DAA mini case feeder can just ride on the drop tube but with a little wobble. I had ordered an extra adapter from DAA and will figure it out to stabilize it. However, even with the little wobble the mini case feeder still work. (Update: After playing around with it for half an hour, just an O ring or a tiny rubber bend had solved the wobble 99%, let see if the adapter will be better) First impression, I rollsized about ten 9mm brass for testing purpose and I can say the crank effort required is minimal as stated. Compare with my Lee Bulge Buster which makes my hands tired in about a few rounds, the Manual Rollsizer almost do not required any effort at all. After rollsized the brass and resized them with Dillion press, the brass drop easily into my case gauge 100%. Then I used them to made dummy rounds and they all dropped freely to my case gauge. Much much much better results than the Lee Bulge Buster. I'm impressed with the results at this point. But still need the field test of the ammo to be sure. P.S. DAA USA is carrying them now, no need to wait for Immortobot. Thanks for the follow-up. I'm still hoping to get one of these eventually. @mechanoset are these shipping with the adapter for a powered drill, or is that part still in development? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechanoset Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 The drill adaptor comes with the order now. It's very simple, it is a #5 hex bit adaptor available from most hardware stores. I send 2 of them with the order. Regards Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEar Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 33 minutes ago, mechanoset said: The drill adaptor comes with the order now. It's very simple, it is a #5 hex bit adaptor available from most hardware stores. I send 2 of them with the order. Regards Kevin I do not get mine Kevin, will u send it to me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechanoset Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Some orders went out before these arrived. They cost about $0.50 each at the hardware store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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