Mcfoto Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 http://fsreloading.com/lee-precision-carbide-3-die-set-38-short-colt-38-long-colt.html Most folks I've talked to use a combo of .38 and 9mm sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurusty Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 [emoji3595][emoji3595][emoji3595] exactly what he said. I've never had any issues with these dies in my 650 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alecmc Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 33 minutes ago, MikeyScuba said: I'm not doing well with the search engine... Can anyone recommend a good die setup for 38 short colt? 9mm dies with a 38 sizing die works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrakenFan69 Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 I'm using a 38 Special conversion for my Dillon XL650. I use a 10mm adapter on the casefeeder. I decap before tumbling. 38 Special Sizing die. 9mm flare in the powder drop station as the 38 Special is too short for the brass I'm running at 0.900" or 38 Mid Colt if you will. 38 Special seating die. 38 Special Lee Factory Crimp die with a .40 Cal crimp ring installed above the 38 Special one to keep it from pushing up. I'm currently loading Lee 358-158 RF projectiles I cast and coat with Hi-Tek. Kraken Fan #69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrakenFan69 Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 Did some testing with Win 231 today. Looks like 4.0 gn of W231 in 0.90" Winchester Brass with a Lee 358-158 RF is the ticket until I find a good round nose mold. Kraken Fan #69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamj Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 When I load 38 short colt I also used 9mm dies with a 38 sizing die and they worked perfectly. All are Dillon dies in a 650. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hueycrew Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 When I started shooting Revo (SW686) a few years ago I went with Lee 3 die set for 38SC (Kempfs Gun Shop in Michigan City) Lee 9mm Factory Crimp Die TK Moon clips Starline Brass 3.3g WST, 158g Berrys, Fed SPP, 1.200 OAL 128-130 PF Now shooting a SW627 PC Same Dies TK Moon Clips Same Starline Brass 3.5g WST, 160g SNS Casting Polymer Coated, Fed SPP , 1.200 OAL. Made 137PF at Area 4 this year. Press is a Hornady LnL AP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdinpc Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 On 11/23/2018 at 6:51 AM, hueycrew said: Lee 3 die set for 38SC (Kempfs Gun Shop in Michigan City) Lee 9mm Factory Crimp Die hueycrew, With the Lee 3 die 38SC set, I thought the Bullet Seat die also crimped? Did you have issues with it then added the 9mm crimp die? I am just starting reloading and have the 3 die 38sc set and the 9mm Factory Crimp Die. Wasn't sure if the 9mm FCD was redundant with the 38SC 3 die set. Kirk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pskys2 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 59 minutes ago, kdinpc said: hueycrew, With the Lee 3 die 38SC set, I thought the Bullet Seat die also crimped? Did you have issues with it then added the 9mm crimp die? I am just starting reloading and have the 3 die 38sc set and the 9mm Factory Crimp Die. Wasn't sure if the 9mm FCD was redundant with the 38SC 3 die set. Kirk Just don't screw the die down that far. Or if you do want to roll crimp use it on the crimp station without the bullet seating stem and screwed down so it does crimp. Then use another die to seat the bullets i.e. a dillon seating die which also gives you the option of easily changing nose profiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBurgess Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 2 hours ago, kdinpc said: hueycrew, With the Lee 3 die 38SC set, I thought the Bullet Seat die also crimped? Did you have issues with it then added the 9mm crimp die? I am just starting reloading and have the 3 die 38sc set and the 9mm Factory Crimp Die. Wasn't sure if the 9mm FCD was redundant with the 38SC 3 die set. Kirk many people prefer to seat and crimp separately, especially with plated or coated bullets. it is much easier to adjust the crimp by itself without having the OAL change at the same time, also with the plated and coated bullets having the crimp happen at the same time as the bullet is sliding into the case makes damaging the thin coating much easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hueycrew Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 I take some of the bell out with the seating die, then finish with the FCD. The FCD gave me better results to fine tune the bullet. They drop in my 627 mounted on a TK moon clip perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwalia Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 May i ask how you imported brass from Starline or did you get it from the guy out west. Just interested. As for dies 38 decapper rest 9mm as am runnine Berry's 9mm bullet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallisticianX Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Ive shot special brass, SC, LC and LC shortened to .900. As far as reloads go if the clips/brass are held snugly and straight any of the three drop in just as fast. But for ejection is where, to me, the shorter cases do have an advantage. They're lack of length clears the cylinder better lessening the chance of a case hitting a grip edge and hanging in the cylinder etc etc. But over the years of load development, specific to a .357 mag chambered gun Ive found accuracy deficiencies with Short colts from excessive bullet jump in two 627's, a model 19, and a 586. Heavier longer bullets were less dismal than lighter shorter bullets and that supports the bullet jump issue. Despite seeing people say they shoot "like lasers" Ive not seen it and wont recommend it! But Long colt and Specials will however shoot equally and very accurately out of a .357 chamber. A trimmed down LC to .900 showed good results as well, but the time to trim does not warrant the lack of gain for such a small amount. So my suggestion, for a good mix of Accuracy, ejection reliability, and lower charge weights...the Long Colt case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimel Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Question: For 38 Long Colt, size with 38 special then seat and crimp with 9mm dies or some other combo. For load data start with 9mm and work it up? Joining the wheel gun side shortly and 38 Long Colt has me intrigued. Too many know issues with 929s and not really wanting a 6.5” barrel so headed toward 627pc 5”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBurgess Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 minute ago, kimel said: Question: For 38 Long Colt, size with 38 special then seat and crimp with 9mm dies or some other combo. For load data start with 9mm and work it up? Joining the wheel gun side shortly and 38 Long Colt has me intrigued. Too many know issues with 929s and not really wanting a 6.5” barrel so headed toward 627pc 5”. Long Colts are a bit longer than 38 Super so that probably a better starting point load wise, or back off 38 special data a bit. on the 929 note I believe the 929 problems you see a lot about are in reality current production Smith and Wesson problems and whatever model you buy is just as likely to need service. My personal thoughts are that Smith sells gun "kits" they put all the parts together and sell them as a functional? gun but in the end its a kit and should be viewed as such.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimel Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I agree but so are stock guns from STI and others anymore although those aren’t billed as semi-custom and it isn’t a quality control issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrakenFan69 Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) OK. I'm back and I'm having issues. I just can't seem to find an accurate load that makes 130 PF with the Lee 358-150 1R mold. (Which really sucks because I had a custom version made by Arsenal! ) I get great accuracy just below then it just goes to crap. I've tried W231, WSF, Clays, VV N320. I thought 4.0 of W231 in Long Colt had me sorted but I guess not. Went back and tried to get something worked out for Short Colt and just can't make PF while maintaining accuracy there either. I'm using Starling Brass in a S&W 627 Pro 5". Any thoughts fellas? I'm hurting here. Kraken Fan #69 Edited March 12, 2019 by KrakenFan69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul788 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Try WSF and about 4.0gr to start. I run a 929 and set out to make pf with a slower powder to reduce the sticking case problem. Never have a hard extraction and most times it's tap the rod with my thumb instead of slap it with the palm. I use Blue 147 rn. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrakenFan69 Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) Sadly, I did. WSF is my 9mm powder. Kraken Fan #69 Edited March 12, 2019 by KrakenFan69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcc7x7 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 What bullet dia are you sizing to. My guns shoot .358 much better than anything smaller dia. If you are sizing to 358 I'd suggest you double check your dia. after your bullets are run through the sizer. Just a thought! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrakenFan69 Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) Picked up a pound of Power Pistol and started load workup tonight. Fun fact. 3.6 gn in Long Colt is a mouse fart but very accurate. 4.0 only hits about a 112 PF. lol Kraken Fan #69 Edited March 13, 2019 by KrakenFan69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrakenFan69 Posted March 14, 2019 Author Share Posted March 14, 2019 Went back out today. Found hope of salvation at 4.8 and 5.2 gn Power Pistol. More testing to follow. Kraken Fan #69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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