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I keep reading posts about how the Stock 3 is overweight for IDPA which is 43oz. so I went and got a lightened guide rod from Patriot Defense, a fiber front sight from Dawson, and some G10 Thin Grips by LOK Grips, and a digital scale. Mine is a 10mm and was actually under 43oz stock at 42.6oz

https://austincs-my.sharepoint.com/:i:/g/personal/david_satchell_austincs_net/EbL-KFQa-pdImcARp0q0fm8Brma22GAMs4OfPMWffo8NIQ?e=LBSvvi

 

The magazine is an extra 3.35oz

https://austincs-my.sharepoint.com/:i:/g/personal/david_satchell_austincs_net/Ear9HrOeZGBLk4Jw0_QwiukBzIwfSyDTCjJwaxlGGQwBnA?e=4pmQCg

 

The G10 Thin Grips by LOK Grips actually weigh more than the stock grips but have much better grip.

https://austincs-my.sharepoint.com/:i:/g/personal/david_satchell_austincs_net/EbL-KFQa-pdImcARp0q0fm8Brma22GAMs4OfPMWffo8NIQ?e=l7fKT7

https://austincs-my.sharepoint.com/:i:/g/personal/david_satchell_austincs_net/EQM6jxuxqz5JkScKIM8bH04BIqKHOI-9B8G9JSfTq5N9LA?e=c2d2fc

 

and the new total weight comes in at 42.60oz.

https://austincs-my.sharepoint.com/:i:/g/personal/david_satchell_austincs_net/EU1jCaGUBdhLvGl4DPyH-lcBB1COXL5gnDmaKm-KQasQuQ?e=JQ7qLu

 

The only thing i can figure is that when the Stock 3 is 9mm then it is overweight.

 

David.

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10mm barrel may be lighter than 9mm, but I do believe you can make 9mm Stock 3 legal for IDPA.  

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The OD of the 9, 40, 10mm, 45acp are the same.  so bigger hole means less weight.

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7 hours ago, dsatchell said:

I keep reading posts about how the Stock 3 is overweight for IDPA which is 43oz. so I went and got a lightened guide rod from Patriot Defense, a fiber front sight from Dawson, and some G10 Thin Grips by LOK Grips, and a digital scale. Mine is a 10mm and was actually under 43oz stock at 42.6oz

https://austincs-my.sharepoint.com/:i:/g/personal/david_satchell_austincs_net/EbL-KFQa-pdImcARp0q0fm8Brma22GAMs4OfPMWffo8NIQ?e=LBSvvi

 

The magazine is an extra 3.35oz

https://austincs-my.sharepoint.com/:i:/g/personal/david_satchell_austincs_net/Ear9HrOeZGBLk4Jw0_QwiukBzIwfSyDTCjJwaxlGGQwBnA?e=4pmQCg

 

The G10 Thin Grips by LOK Grips actually weigh more than the stock grips but have much better grip.

https://austincs-my.sharepoint.com/:i:/g/personal/david_satchell_austincs_net/EbL-KFQa-pdImcARp0q0fm8Brma22GAMs4OfPMWffo8NIQ?e=l7fKT7

https://austincs-my.sharepoint.com/:i:/g/personal/david_satchell_austincs_net/EQM6jxuxqz5JkScKIM8bH04BIqKHOI-9B8G9JSfTq5N9LA?e=c2d2fc

 

and the new total weight comes in at 42.60oz.

https://austincs-my.sharepoint.com/:i:/g/personal/david_satchell_austincs_net/EU1jCaGUBdhLvGl4DPyH-lcBB1COXL5gnDmaKm-KQasQuQ?e=JQ7qLu

 

The only thing i can figure is that when the Stock 3 is 9mm then it is overweight.

 

David.

 

Well done!  Glad to hear you can make weight with the 10mm.

 

I'm curious if your 10mm mag is lighter than my .40.  I believe mine and 9mm mags have an extra metal spacer in there for shorter rounds which would add a little weight.

 

Edited by V2plus25

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19 hours ago, johnbu said:

The OD of the 9, 40, 10mm, 45acp are the same.  so bigger hole means less weight.

 

A very quick calculation makes me think the weight difference is going to be around 2.1 ounces (heavier) for the 9mm. Not exact but should be in the right neighborhood. 

 

A 40 stock 3 shooting 160 grains at around 135 power factor could be a really fun IDPA gun, assuming it fits in the box and their scale agrees with the o.p.'s scale. 

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19 hours ago, V2plus25 said:

 

Well done!  Glad to hear you can make weight with the 10mm.

 

I'm curious if your 10mm mag is lighter than my .40.  I believe mine and 9mm mags have an extra metal spacer in there for shorter rounds which would add a little weight.

 

The difference from 38s (no spacer) to 9mm (with spacer) is about 3/4 oz. 

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Anyone confirm that it fits in the IDPA box?

 

If it does, then the stock 3 extreme would be SSP legal. Thus what ever hammer the s3 extreme uses would be an allowable modification for any other SSP legal Tanfo like the Lim Pro.

 

Does anyone know for sure what hammer the s3 extreme uses? Delta, Titan??

 

Thank you @dsatchell You my have gotten us a hammer upgrade.

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The last time I weighed a 9mm Stock 3, with the stock grips and an empty magazine inserted, it weighed just north of 45 ounces. It should fit in the box since the Match Elite does.

 

 

 

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My 9mm Stock III 100% stock without a magazine is 41.6oz compared to Stock II at 39.7.

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You guys are killing me...does the stock III weight 45oz without a  mag as the description says? 

 

Anxiously awaiting confirmation & an IDPA box test fit.

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Read my post above---I just weighed a brand new 100% untouched 9mm Stock III last week before I boxed it up and shipped it to PD.

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8 minutes ago, FALAR said:

Read my post above---I just weighed a brand new 100% untouched 9mm Stock III last week before I boxed it up and shipped it to PD.

I did see your post, and if that were very common, people would shoot IDPA with StockIIIs.

 

There are videos on YouTube of folks weighing it at least talking about the weight...pits it out of IDPA.

 

 

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I've never shot IDPA but someone else posted the magazine is 3.5oz.

 

41.6 + 3.5 = 45.1 oz and thus illegal.  Lighter grips and a lighter guide rod could probably get it under 43 again.

 

I'm sure there is a bit of variance in this from the factory though.

 

I just bought this Accuteck scale just for weighing guns, slides, barrels, etc because it seems to enter discussions on various message boards all the time.

Edited by FALAR

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Yeah you've got to get a good scale... or at least the same one they use at major matches to weigh guns.

 

My Lim Pro comes in at 42.6-42.7 with the PD guide rod, Henning grips and Henning basepads.  If I had a full-length dust cover I'd have to go with much lighter grips and basepads to have a prayer of squeezing in under the weight limit.  Oh and probably swap the super sight with a lighter fixed rear sight.

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Here is my Stock III. Somehow I doubt that I could get below 43 ounces with a mag unless some slide milling was involved as well.f772f64a19259b35754f8875477e8294.jpgbcbb03a24c321d87b434121ac29a5929.jpg

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