RGC Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 I am looking at a few options in getting back into Open IPSC/USPSA. I am looking at the Czechmate and Parrot as options. Couple questions that I hope members here can help.... 1) Parrot vs standard Czechmate...not a fan on the bling look of the Parrot, but performance wise, is it worth the premium? 2) IF I were to buy a Czechmate, and have another $800 or so to spend on it, what should/could I replace to increase performance? Thanks!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoRivera Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 Answer to #2: ammo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGC Posted September 23, 2018 Author Share Posted September 23, 2018 Thanks...well, of course the ammo would be a tad important...but was wondering in terms of the ignition system, mag tweaks, etc. Coming from extensive 1911/2011 experience and the CZ platform is a little new (I built a few Tanfo xtremes with Grauffels parts but the Stock 2's were drop in). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 Hopefully someone who has both will comment, but I'm not aware of a difference between the Czechmate and the Parrot but the color. The Czechmate runs like a top right of the box although I prefer a horizontal mount for the optic. I also recommend the CZC springs, followers, and base pads for 29+1 in the big stick and 23+1 in the short ones. They've always run 100% for me using Montana Gold CMJs without tuning while JHPs suffered from random nose dives out of a fully loaded big stick. Aside from that, the only improvement is my aluminum comp, which shaves 2oz off the muzzle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGC Posted September 23, 2018 Author Share Posted September 23, 2018 And comp that is... I used to run Infinity IMM's a number of years back. I am looking to see whether I get back in the IMM wait line, Atlas liine, or move to a hinge trigger again. I started my IPSC shooting in Canada with an SP01 Shadow and Tanfo Limited Customs. I love the ergo...so contemplating it for an open run vs a 12 month wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGC Posted September 23, 2018 Author Share Posted September 23, 2018 I believe the CMate does not have popples so are there any performance gains with the multi MEGA comp you are running @kneelingatlas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 There is a marginal reduction in muzzle flip, but the biggest improvement is the reduced weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGC Posted September 23, 2018 Author Share Posted September 23, 2018 Ah, got it. Your design is AL vs the CZ SS, get that. AL is general rule of thumb 40% the weight of carbon steel or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selecw Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 Sidewinder racker, czc big magwell, Grams 170 mag tuning, czc extensions for 140 and 170 mags, IPSC Alex thumb rest Thats it. More like $200 .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 I second the Grams mag tuning. Kneeling is really they only person I know of that hasn't had to have at least their big sticks tuned. They honestly just don't work very well, they are designed as 40 mags and the ribs don't go high enough up the tube to get consistent feeding. Beven will fix that for you, then they run 100%. One friend in particular gets 30+1 in his big sticks, which is awesome. I am pretty sure Kneeling is right about the Parrot.. same thing, different colors. I wouldn't pay a premium for it, since you are likely to put a different magwell and grips on it and everything anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostDog Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 (edited) The Parrot used to have a concealed hammer iso the regular one. I would do at least the Grams tuning and the extended CZC mag bottoms. Edited September 23, 2018 by GhostDog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomfturner Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 The other addition would be to put the larger safety from czc on there.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 I routinely see three Czechmates at the shoots I go to. One is the original and two are later with the TSO frame. My buddy's is plain stock. He shoots it with no issues. All his mags work 100%. Personaly, I don't like the grips. I'd switch them out for Lok Thin Boogies. They are awesome on my TS. I think mag capacity is overrated; however, I'd probably do whatever I had to to maximize the 170. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ173 Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 Get the regular and new czechmate, the parrot comes with less barrels. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 Oh and I forgot to add, the shadow 2 safeties are probably the most comfortable on the CMate in my opinion. So that would be a worthwhile upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George16 Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Gooldylocks said: Oh and I forgot to add, the shadow 2 safeties are probably the most comfortable on the CMate in my opinion. So that would be a worthwhile upgrade. Agree. I installed them in my czechmate and TSO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGC Posted September 23, 2018 Author Share Posted September 23, 2018 What is the most recent version of the CM? SKU 91174 (this is TSO)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George16 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 10 hours ago, RGC said: What is the most recent version of the CM? SKU 91174 (this is TSO)? Yes. It has the new trigger guard and grip checkering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGC Posted September 24, 2018 Author Share Posted September 24, 2018 Thanks...wonder whom has one in stock in the Atlanta area. I see on CZ's website they still list the old SKU? Likely they have not updated it, but it looks like the old front/back strap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George16 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Check this website for places that have them. Czechmate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
love2fishnshoot Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 On 9/23/2018 at 12:20 AM, selecw said: Sidewinder racker, czc big magwell, Grams 170 mag tuning, czc extensions for 140 and 170 mags, IPSC Alex thumb rest Thats it. More like $200 .. Those of y’all that sent your mags to grams do y’all send just the 170s or the 140s also? I’ve read about guys sending the big stick due to problems but haven’t heard of someone sending their 140s. I plan to send my 170 to him for sure since it turns into a salt shaker if I load more than 26 rds with a czcustom basepad. I have extended basepads on the way for my 140s to try out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selecw Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 7 hours ago, love2fishnshoot said: Those of y’all that sent your mags to grams do y’all send just the 170s or the 140s also? I’ve read about guys sending the big stick due to problems but haven’t heard of someone sending their 140s. I plan to send my 170 to him for sure since it turns into a salt shaker if I load more than 26 rds with a czcustom basepad. I have extended basepads on the way for my 140s to try out I only sent the 170s. The 140s worked fine stock and when upgraded with Grams followers/springs and CZC extensions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
love2fishnshoot Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 Just now, selecw said: I only sent the 170s. The 140s worked fine stock and when upgraded with Grams followers/springs and CZC extensions. Awesome thanks. I went ahead and ordered grams kits for all the mags along with czc basepads for the 140s. The 170 already has czc basepad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selecw Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 One of Grams recommendations is to wipe inside the 170s using a medium weight oil. I do this before a match using a few drops of red transmission oil on a cleaning pach. When the mag hits the ground in the match, I brush it out but don't apply new oil. I do this with 170s and 140s and it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George16 Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 I spray the inside of my mags with dry graphite lube after cleaning them. It’s the same lubricant I use on my mountain bike chains. Dust and dirt doesn’t adhere to the dry lube as much as it does to regular lubricants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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