RaylanGivens Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Shooting the PCC Palooza this Sunday at Frostproof... Looking forward to the match, but the match writeup has a stage note that I don't understand: " 60 yd plate rack with gun at 90 and 45 degree cant " What does the cant part mean? Is that some kind of 3-Gun thing? I assume it means that you have to cant or twist the rifle... Not sure if something forces you to twist the rifle... and not sure how to shoot it... Looked for a video... Any of you seen a stage like this before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFO Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 (edited) Only as it pertains to having to shoot through horizontal or slanted slots. Edited September 20, 2018 by JAFO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_B Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 If you have to shoot with a rifle or carbine canted you will shoot low and to the left or right whichever way it is canted. Just remember to aim high and to the side the magazine is on. So if you cant the carbine so the ejection port is up the magazine will be to the right. You want to hold high and to the right of the plate. How much depends on the trajectory of the bullet, where it is sighted in etc. I haven't tried it with my PCC but at 60 yds I think I would hold a couple inches high and a couple inches right. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent1k1 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 My PCC is zero'd at 35 yards. at 60 yards, i need to hold low, like the bottom of the plate to hit it. It sounds like i'll need to continue to hold low instead of high in your example Don_B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stick Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 7 hours ago, RaylanGivens said: Shooting the PCC Palooza this Sunday at Frostproof... Looking forward to the match, but the match writeup has a stage note that I don't understand: " 60 yd plate rack with gun at 90 and 45 degree cant " What does the cant part mean? Is that some kind of 3-Gun thing? I assume it means that you have to cant or twist the rifle... Not sure if something forces you to twist the rifle... and not sure how to shoot it... Looked for a video... Any of you seen a stage like this before? Shannon is famous for putting you in uncomfortable and uncommon shooting positions. Leave it to an ex Army ranger to test your abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaylanGivens Posted September 20, 2018 Author Share Posted September 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Trent1k1 said: My PCC is zero'd at 35 yards. at 60 yards, i need to hold low, like the bottom of the plate to hit it. It sounds like i'll need to continue to hold low instead of high in your example Don_B. Thanks, Trent... I'm zero'd at 25 yards. Ran one of the online bullet trajectory calculators and it looks like my bullet will drop around an inch at 60 yards. 22 minutes ago, stick said: Shannon is famous for putting you in uncomfortable and uncommon shooting positions. Leave it to an ex Army ranger to test your abilities. Absolutely... Shannon puts on great matches... That's why we all like to shoot them! This match has been sold out for weeks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaylanGivens Posted September 20, 2018 Author Share Posted September 20, 2018 Ran across this video... Seems to help out with the 90 degree cant portion of the stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stick Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 31 minutes ago, RaylanGivens said: Thanks, Trent... I'm zero'd at 25 yards. Ran one of the online bullet trajectory calculators and it looks like my bullet will drop around an inch at 60 yards. Absolutely... Shannon puts on great matches... That's why we all like to shoot them! This match has been sold out for weeks... Yes he does! It a shame I have to work this weekend. I'm missing the scattergun and PCC palooza matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_B Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 3 hours ago, Trent1k1 said: My PCC is zero'd at 35 yards. at 60 yards, i need to hold low, like the bottom of the plate to hit it. It sounds like i'll need to continue to hold low instead of high in your example Don_B. It doesn't matter where you are sighted in once you turn the carbine 90 degrees. At that point you are basically zeroed at the muzzle and the bullet will just drop from there on out. If I was a betting man I would make a wager that if you hold low you will not hit the plates. Just my .02 worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent1k1 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 i'm not sure my bullet will drop "that much" in 60 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_B Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, Trent1k1 said: i'm not sure my bullet will drop "that much" in 60 yards. Oookay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLDave Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Trent1k1, watch the video linked above. It shows drop on a rifle cartridge at 100 yards. You're going to be dropping several inches at 60 yards with a PCC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaylanGivens Posted September 21, 2018 Author Share Posted September 21, 2018 15 hours ago, Don_B said: It doesn't matter where you are sighted in once you turn the carbine 90 degrees. At that point you are basically zeroed at the muzzle and the bullet will just drop from there on out. If I was a betting man I would make a wager that if you hold low you will not hit the plates. Just my .02 worth. Good point... The trajectory I calculated was with the rifle vertical and sighted in at 25 yards and the bullet also coming back down to zero again at 45 yards... so the bullet drop at 60 yards was only one more inch... With the rifle turned sideways all my "built-in" elevation sighting disappears and turns into windage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 I'd recommend getting out to the range before Sunday, and testing your rounds out of your gun, canted 45 and 90 degrees. ) Just to be safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_B Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 hour ago, RaylanGivens said: Good point... The trajectory I calculated was with the rifle vertical and sighted in at 25 yards and the bullet also coming back down to zero again at 45 yards... so the bullet drop at 60 yards was only one more inch... With the rifle turned sideways all my "built-in" elevation sighting disappears and turns into windage. Exactly! Depending on the velocity it will drop about 3-4 inches at 60 yds. And now that "windage" needs to be corrected by holding to the magazine side of the target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaylanGivens Posted September 24, 2018 Author Share Posted September 24, 2018 Smitty outdid himself for this years PCC Palooza match... Shot it yesterday, my first PCC Palooza, but not to be my last... Smitty said he plans to make it a two day match next year... It was an extremely challenging match from my perspective... 35 yard spinning Polish plate rack, extremely tight leans, lots and lots of steel, and of course the long plate racks and a spinner... Hard but fun... You really understand where your gun shoots after shooting a match like this. The "distance" stage had six smallish plates at 60 yards shot free hand, a plate rack at 60 yards with 3 plates at a 45 degree cant and the other three shot at a 90 degree cant... then run to another plate rack at about 30 yards and finally ending up on a spinner. For the 45 degree cant, we used the top 45 degree slot in the picture below... For the 90 degree cant, we used the lowest 90 degree slot in the wall... not quite kneeling and not quite prone... I kind of knelled/crouched/laid on the ground and held my handguard by the slot to shoot... I got all my hits, but failed to spin the spinner... Fun stage... I would like another crack at the spinner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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