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Own a Hornady LNL progressive, how good is a 650?

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So the topic has been mostly beat to death, but I haven't found any info from someone who has used BOTH a Hornady LNL progressive and a Dillon 650.

 

I load 9mm and 45 ACP for pistol competitions, and soon to get into .223 rifle loading. 

 

The LNL works great for me. Despite what people have written, it took minimal tinkering to set up. I use a deprime/size die, case flaring die, powder drop, powder COP die, and bullet seater/crimper. With this setup I can do about 400 rounds/hour and I am about to rig up a home made case feeder that should almost half that time. Using a Lee case collator that costs $30 instead of Hornady's $300 case feeder.

 

So I get that Dillon makes a "higher quality" machine, but my ammo is pretty good right now, and that's the end goal. My hand load 9mm has a standard velocity deviation of about 1-1.5% same for 45. I don't ever have hang-ups and never detonated a primer. 

 

If I had a good reason to, I'd sell the Hornady and get a 650. After all, I'm shooting thousands of $ a year in ammo and matches, spending a little on improving my speed of production would be no big deal.

 

So long story short, should I believe the hype? 

 

 

 

 

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Have a LNL with casefeeder
Save yourself a big headache if you plan on using Hornady casefeeder parts to drop and insert brass.
Sell the LNL it is a good press.
But the bottom of the casefeeder blows chunks I M O



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I’ve never seen a lock n load, but a buddy that swears by his watched me load ammo on my 650, and told me his press won’t do that 

i can load 100 rounds in around 5 minutes, 800 rounds an hour is fairly easy

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I have and use both. I run a thru die bullet feeder on my lnl instead of a case feeder because it’s much easier to get the cheap bullet feeder setup on the lnl than it is the case feeder.  The diy casefeeder will be more of a headache to make run consistently and it’s all the same from a time standpoint if you cut out one hand operation from the equation it doesn’t matter whether it’s the case or bullet.  Also, the shellplate on the hornady makes it super easy to slip a case in on the left and is faster than setting Bullets for me.

 

that being said if I had to sell one, I’d sell the lnl over the Dillon.  The lnl is a fine machine that needs more tweaking out of the box but after that it can run just as good.  I also like the powder drop on the lnl better.

 

its hard to describe but the lnl requires more “feel” for me as im loading whereas with the 650 I can basically just crank away without need as much attention to the feel of the machine.  This allows a little faster loading for me as I can just watch what’s going on.

 

Im also one of the weird ones that has loaded a ton on a 1050 and prefers the feel of the 650 over it because there is even less feel with the 1050 during the process.

 

if you’re loading and shooting that much, buy a 650 and sell the one you don’t like, it’ll only be a $75 experiment and my guess is you’ll see the benefits of owning both for certain tasks and keep them 

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34 minutes ago, drewbeck said:

I have and use both. I run a thru die bullet feeder on my lnl instead of a case feeder because it’s much easier to get the cheap bullet feeder setup on the lnl than it is the case feeder.  The diy casefeeder will be more of a headache to make run consistently and it’s all the same from a time standpoint if you cut out one hand operation from the equation it doesn’t matter whether it’s the case or bullet.  Also, the shellplate on the hornady makes it super easy to slip a case in on the left and is faster than setting Bullets for me.

 

that being said if I had to sell one, I’d sell the lnl over the Dillon.  The lnl is a fine machine that needs more tweaking out of the box but after that it can run just as good.  I also like the powder drop on the lnl better.

 

its hard to describe but the lnl requires more “feel” for me as im loading whereas with the 650 I can basically just crank away without need as much attention to the feel of the machine.  This allows a little faster loading for me as I can just watch what’s going on.

 

Im also one of the weird ones that has loaded a ton on a 1050 and prefers the feel of the 650 over it because there is even less feel with the 1050 during the process.

 

if you’re loading and shooting that much, buy a 650 and sell the one you don’t like, it’ll only be a $75 experiment and my guess is you’ll see the benefits of owning both for certain tasks and keep them 

 

44 minutes ago, rishii said:

I’ve never seen a lock n load, but a buddy that swears by his watched me load ammo on my 650, and told me his press won’t do that 

i can load 100 rounds in around 5 minutes, 800 rounds an hour is fairly easy

 

thanks for the solid info

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My BiL has a LNL.  He has issues.  It seems from seeing online posts/gripes like the major issues pop up when a casefeeder is added.  And it seems if you are going to be changing calibers then you run into issues getting everything just right each time a switch is done. 

 

Do yourself a favor...buy once/cry once.  Sell it & get a 650 with casefeeder.  You'll be happy!

 

BTW, I have 2 650s and now a 1050.  They rock!  The 1050 priming is magic!

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I love my 650 and have had very few, minor issues over the last 8 years and many thousands of rounds loaded.  The RF100 is was of the best additions I've made.  

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I went from a Lee pro 1000 to an LnL and now have a 650. Upgraded to the 650 after 2 frustrating years loading about 20,000 rounds on the lnl. The biggest weakness of the lnl (from my experience) is the case feeder. Between the top (jammed funnel) and bottom ends (feeding cases on to shell plate) I could never get through more than 200 rounds without a stoppage. I now load about 800 rounds/hr and have not had a single notable issue with the 650. For me, it just works.


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I had a LnL and a 650 mounted on the bench for a few years.  Finally got tired of fiddling with the LnL and sold it for less than half what I had into it.  The 650 just flat works.  I've added a few (maybe a lot) of small aftermarket items to make the Dillon easier to use.  

 

I used the 650 without a case feeder for a couple of years.  Once I got the case feeder is when I realized I could do without the LnL.

 

Right now a 650+case feeder is $140 more than a LnL+case feeder.  That IMHO would be $140 well spent.

 

I never owned a set of Dillon dies till a couple of weeks ago.  Picked up a set of 9mm Dillon dies.  They are a much nicer set of dies than the Hornady dies I had been using.

 

 

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I have owned the LNL with Casefeeder, my best friend owned a 650 with Casefeeder.  I have used both for many years loading 9 and 45.  

 

I also loaded on a rate of around 400-500 rph on my LNL, and probably 2-300 rph faster on the 650. The 650 is smoother than the LNL.  Someone mentioned that with the LNL, you have to “feel” the press whereas the 650, you just crank the rounds out.  I couldn’t agree more.  

 

You have already saved your money by investing in a machine, like I did, so you won’t save more money by upgrading your machine.  However, I realized my time was more valuable to me than make Bullets at 400-500 rph.   I sold my LNL and upgraded to a 1050 with bullet feeder, I have absolutely no regrets and wished I had upgraded sooner.  Now I can load at 1200-1400 rph. 

 

You also mentioned you may start loading 223, I recommend upgrading to a 1050 for that also.   

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Talked to some guys at a local today, looks like a Dillon is in going to be in order

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I have owned the LNL with Casefeeder, my best friend owned a 650 with Casefeeder.  I have used both for many years loading 9 and 45.  
 
I also loaded on a rate of around 400-500 rph on my LNL, and probably 2-300 rph faster on the 650. The 650 is smoother than the LNL.  Someone mentioned that with the LNL, you have to “feel” the press whereas the 650, you just crank the rounds out.  I couldn’t agree more.  
 
You have already saved your money by investing in a machine, like I did, so you won’t save more money by upgrading your machine.  However, I realized my time was more valuable to me than make Bullets at 400-500 rph.   I sold my LNL and upgraded to a 1050 with bullet feeder, I have absolutely no regrets and wished I had upgraded sooner.  Now I can load at 1200-1400 rph. 
 
You also mentioned you may start loading 223, I recommend upgrading to a 1050 for that also.   

This is no joke. I have 2 650s that I loaded 9, 40, 45 on. I eventually upgraded to a 1050 and within the first 100 rounds I wondered what took me so long!! The 650s are solid, but if you’re loading 10s of thousands of rounds you will NOT regret going big and getting the 1050. It’s legit. Add a bullet feeder and auto drive and you’re really on fire!!


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