Foxbat Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 How do you see its value? Are you using it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwilmot Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Yes it can cause malfunction and yes I run one. My gun feels better running the blue Wilson one with an 8lb spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuey Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Yes it can. If it too heavy, it will cause it the FTE. This is where you have to play with your load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Hello: Yes they can cause all sorts of problems. Feeding and extraction. I have never used them on my open pistols. Benny Hill told me long ago that they will cause you problems. Sure enough on a 45 single stack I had years ago it slowed the slide down and was causing feeding problems but not all the time. It only did it after about 12-14 shots when it warmed up. I have seen open pistols with over 100,000 rounds that still run great with no buffer ever installed. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HI5-O Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 The softer nylon ones tend to swell and break up often. I used to use the CP Buffs as they were the toughest then I switched to Dawson’s Aluma Buff and have been using them for years in my open guns without problems. I usually replace them every year and they still have life in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanfoglio1911 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 I am using a Dawson Aluma buff and 7lb recoil spring, so far I have no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_B Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 11 hours ago, Aircooled6racer said: Hello: Yes they can cause all sorts of problems. Feeding and extraction. I have never used them on my open pistols. Benny Hill told me long ago that they will cause you problems. Sure enough on a 45 single stack I had years ago it slowed the slide down and was causing feeding problems but not all the time. It only did it after about 12-14 shots when it warmed up. I have seen open pistols with over 100,000 rounds that still run great with no buffer ever installed. Thanks, Eric I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rishii Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 I Use the CP buffs and I change them out about once a year, part of the bad rap buffs have goes back to the old Wilson black shockbuff, those would cut, swell and fall apart in the gun causing all kinds of problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
touji Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 I've been using Wilson buffs in my Atlas but it usually won't last more than 300-400 rounds. It starts to really slow the slide down and I eventually get a failure to go into battery more than FTEs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluedevil008 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 hour ago, touji said: I've been using Wilson buffs in my Atlas but it usually won't last more than 300-400 rounds. It starts to really slow the slide down and I eventually get a failure to go into battery more than FTEs. I have been running them in mine as well. 8600 rounds through it so far. I replace every 1K with no issues. One time I left one in there to see how long it would go till failure and it made it about 2500 rounds before it started to slow down the slide. I would venture you may be running too light a spring if it's messing up after 300 rounds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsonian85 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 I have used the wilson ones in my 2011's for the and never caused an issue. I do change it out when it looks chewed up and gross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsipd Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I have never used a buffer. Where is it installed? Can someone post a photo of where it sits in the gun please?Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
touji Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 16 hours ago, bluedevil008 said: I have been running them in mine as well. 8600 rounds through it so far. I replace every 1K with no issues. One time I left one in there to see how long it would go till failure and it made it about 2500 rounds before it started to slow down the slide. I would venture you may be running too light a spring if it's messing up after 300 rounds! It might definitely be a light spring. I'm running the setup the Atlas came with, but I am also shooting 9mm major so I'm probably sure that has a little to do with it as well. I've got friends shooting their limited guns and dont have any issues with the wilsons. I'm gonna be trying EGW's for the end of the season and see how they fare in lifespan in my open gun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S&W686 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I am currently using the blue Wilson Combat shok buff with an 8lb spring in my Open Gun. I have not had any issues running this setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
touji Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 12 hours ago, alsipd said: I have never used a buffer. Where is it installed? Can someone post a photo of where it sits in the gun please? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro It is installed between the recoil spring and the guide rod. This is what my Wilson Shock Buff looked like after ~250 rounds (relubing during lunch break at Area 8). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluedevil008 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 56 minutes ago, touji said: It is installed between the recoil spring and the guide rod. This is what my Wilson Shock Buff looked like after ~250 rounds (relubing during lunch break at Area 8). Woooow, even after 2600 rounds mine never got that disformed... I'm running 9 major as well. 8# wolff spring autocomap pushing a 124 at about 172PF. Weird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
touji Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, bluedevil008 said: Woooow, even after 2600 rounds mine never got that disformed... I'm running 9 major as well. 8# wolff spring autocomap pushing a 124 at about 172PF. Weird Yeah, it's super weird. I think the paperwork said my Atlas came with a 9# (will have to check) and I clocked my Autocomp load at 171.5pf at this match as well. Wonder if I should give Adam a call or send an email. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluedevil008 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 1 minute ago, touji said: Yeah, it's super weird. I think the paperwork said my Atlas came with a 9# (will have to check) and I clocked my Autocomp load at 171.5pf at this match as well. Wonder if I should give Adam a call or send an email. Can't hurt! I would go on a limb and say a nice healthy gun probably shouldn't do that much damage to a buffer in 250 rounds, whether or not it's tuned to run one or not. Got a video of you shooting the gun? Preferably slo-mo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Hello: Some powders turn plastic into a mushy mess. It will also turn your powder measure black. That maybe what you are seeing there. Take it out and run it. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY BARONE Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Ugly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
touji Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Aircooled6racer said: Hello: Some powders turn plastic into a mushy mess. It will also turn your powder measure black. That maybe what you are seeing there. Take it out and run it. Thanks, Eric This makes me think that maybe Slip 2000 EWL is breaking down the plastic. Maybe it’s time to make the jump to Lucas Gun Oil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Hello: Try Mobil 1 car oil. Works great for me and is cheap. I use summer weight and winter weight. 2 quarts will last a very long time. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vmax606 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 The major factor that determines the life of the buffer is the contact surface of the spring tunnel, if it is thick and flat the buffer will last longer. If your gun has a heavy barrel and uses the reverse spring plug, the back of the spring tunnel has to be milled out so the plug can slide in, that will make the contact surface thinner and that will chew up the buffer faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsipd Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Thanks for the guidance. I have seen the buffer but couldn’t determine where it went. I originally thought it went behind the guide rod so it could cause a gun to not go into battery. The photo makes it very clear where it belongs. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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