sv45 Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 What is the rule for PCC for a chamber flag? Will wire ties work? My son wants to shoot PCC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatland Shooter Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 PCC 5.2.1.2 Competitors must use a chamber safety flag, or clear chamber device, that is easily visible externally to the gun when transporting from vehicles or stage to stage. Anyone found in violation of this rule will be immediately escorted by a Range Officer to a suitable range or safety area where appropriate corrective action shall be made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatland Shooter Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 A dummy round or anything that looks like one cannot be used as a safety flag. Whatever you use needs to be “easily visible externally” and needs to keep the bolt out of battery to assure the gun cannot be fired. If you think that a twist tie might work, fine. But before I walk onto the range using one I’d check with the MD to make sure its acceptable. Or you could just plunk down a few dollars and buy a real one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stick Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 4 hours ago, sv45 said: Will wire ties work? Flatland pretty much summed up the rule. I'm interested as to why he want's to use wire ties? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perttime Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 I've seen zip ties used in a pinch. Something that has a fixed bend - or actual plastic flap - would be more convenient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 I used my car key the other day when I had dropped the flag somewhere on the stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perttime Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 It can be quite convenient for the RO to take care of the flag while the competitor is shooting. Less fumbling when the RO removes and replaces the flag, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 23 minutes ago, perttime said: It can be quite convenient for the RO to take care of the flag while the competitor is shooting. Less fumbling when the RO removes and replaces the flag, too. I don't mind holding it for the shooter but I won't take part in removing or replacing a chamber flag. Seems that takes some of the onus off the shooter to make sure it is indeed clear. Also, if I didn't put it in correctly etc and it falls out later while he is carrying it I would have to DQ him for my mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfcchambers Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 I use a pice of string trimmer. It's bright colored and cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 2 hours ago, perttime said: It can be quite convenient for the RO to take care of the flag while the competitor is shooting. Less fumbling when the RO removes and replaces the flag, too. No thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatland Shooter Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sarge said: I don't mind holding it for the shooter but I won't take part in removing or replacing a chamber flag. Seems that takes some of the onus off the shooter to make sure it is indeed clear. Also, if I didn't put it in correctly etc and it falls out later while he is carrying it I would have to DQ him for my mistake. I don't see in the USPSA rules where failure to have a flag in place is a DQ. Please enlighten me. Thanks. We have only one local RO that will not hold the chamber flag during a stage. No big deal. We just stick it in a pocket. All others are glad to at least hold the flag. Most even offer to place the flag into your gun at the end of the stage. Edited September 3, 2018 by Flatland Shooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 nobody else wants to touch mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Flatland Shooter said: I don't see in the USPSA rules where failure to have a flag in place is a DQ. Please enlighten me. Thanks. Correct: PCC 5.2.1.2 Competitors must use a chamber safety flag, or clear chamber device, that is easily visible externally to the gun when transporting from vehicles or stage to stage. Anyone found in violation of this rule will be immediately escorted by a Range Officer to a suitable range or safety area where appropriate corrective action shall be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, ChuckS said: Correct: PCC 5.2.1.2 Competitors must use a chamber safety flag, or clear chamber device, that is easily visible externally to the gun when transporting from vehicles or stage to stage. Anyone found in violation of this rule will be immediately escorted by a Range Officer to a suitable range or safety area where appropriate corrective action shall be made. I really can’t believe Flatland didn’t know that! That is one of the first things mandated when PCC was shoved down our throats. Oops, I mean when PCC was introduced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Sarge said: I don't mind holding it for the shooter but I won't take part in removing or replacing a chamber flag. Seems that takes some of the onus off the shooter to make sure it is indeed clear. Also, if I didn't put it in correctly etc and it falls out later while he is carrying it I would have to DQ him for my mistake. I am pretty sure Flatty was questioning this statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 I run many action long gun matches, including a major annual dedicated PCC match. I bought a 100-pack of large yellow zipties from Amazon for less than $10, and we throw a few in each stage box... if someone forgets or loses their flag, they are a quick, easy and inexpensive solution. For a dedicated flag, there are better options for only a few bucks. By the way, we find it is significantly faster, beep-to-beep, if the RO does take custody of the flag (removes and replaces it for the shooter) - this approach saves the time lost while the shooter does a pocket-patdown after the gun is cleared. The time saving is not a big deal at a USPSA handgun match due to the lower % of PCCs, but at an all-long gun match it can be the difference between running on schedule and not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3gunDQ Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 We offer free homemade ones for our local club three gun matches, they are required. Ours homebrew ones are weed eater string and a piece of duct tape.... Redneck as hell but allows dummies to still compete that don’t have store bought flags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 25 minutes ago, ChuckS said: I am pretty sure Flatty was questioning this statement. But it was also a DQ from day one I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 15 minutes ago, Sarge said: But it was also a DQ from day one I believe. Not since June 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davsco Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 yeah all the 2 & 3 gun matches i do, the shooters usually rack the bolt back on their long guns (rifle, shottie) so the RO can grab the flag, which the RO then replaces at the end of their runs. i do the same in uspsa with pcc's. was a little different at the last PRS match i did, most shooters wanted to hold onto their chamber flags. imo it's faster for the RO to grab, retain and replace, and also less distraction for the shooter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 4 hours ago, ChuckS said: Not since June 2016 Not sure what you mean. So how long has it been a DQ? And how could somebody not know it at this point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 19 minutes ago, Sarge said: Not sure what you mean. So how long has it been a DQ? And how could somebody not know it at this point? I mean not having a flag is not a DQ since June 2016, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammer002 Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, ChuckS said: I mean not having a flag is not a DQ since June 2016, I thought it was a DQ as well. Same as having it on a cart without a flag or bolt locked back. Discussion has long been it’s better to use a flag than lock bolt because if bolt engaged forward would be a DQ. Same as bagging without a flag or unbagging and no flag is present. I’m with sarge, I thought no flag was DQ. This is why I read here, learn and relearn constantly. What’s the June 2016 change you refer to, out of curiosity. Use of keys, lol. Edited September 3, 2018 by Hammer002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davsco Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 same deal as if you're walking around with a cocked 1911/2011 (empty of course). go fix it at safe area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 41 minutes ago, davsco said: same deal as if you're walking around with a cocked 1911/2011 (empty of course). go fix it at safe area. exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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