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PCC 5.2.1.2

 

Competitors must use a chamber safety flag, or clear chamber device, that is easily

visible externally to the gun when transporting from vehicles or stage to stage. Anyone found in violation of this rule will be immediately escorted by a Range Officer to a suitable range or safety area where appropriate corrective action shall be made

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A dummy round or anything that looks like one cannot be used as a safety flag.  Whatever you use needs to be “easily visible externally” and needs to keep the bolt out of battery to assure the gun cannot be fired.

 

If you think that a twist tie might work, fine.  But before I walk onto the range using one I’d check with the MD to make sure its acceptable. 

 

Or you could just plunk down a few dollars and buy a real one.

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23 minutes ago, perttime said:

It can be quite convenient for the RO to take care of the flag while the competitor is shooting. Less fumbling when the RO removes and replaces the flag, too.

I don't mind holding it for the shooter but I won't take part in removing or replacing a chamber flag. Seems that takes some of the onus off the shooter to make sure it is indeed clear. Also, if I didn't put it in correctly etc and it falls out later while he is carrying it I would have to DQ him for my mistake.

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2 hours ago, Sarge said:

I don't mind holding it for the shooter but I won't take part in removing or replacing a chamber flag. Seems that takes some of the onus off the shooter to make sure it is indeed clear. Also, if I didn't put it in correctly etc and it falls out later while he is carrying it I would have to DQ him for my mistake.

 

I don't see in the USPSA rules where failure to have a flag in place is a DQ.  Please enlighten me.  Thanks.

 

We have only one local RO that will not hold the chamber flag during a stage.  No big deal.  We just stick it in a pocket. 

 

All others are glad to at least hold the flag.  Most even offer to place the flag into your gun at the end of the stage.

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3 minutes ago, Flatland Shooter said:

 

I don't see in the USPSA rules where failure to have a flag in place is a DQ.  Please enlighten me.  Thanks.

Correct:

 

PCC 5.2.1.2 Competitors must use a chamber safety flag, or clear chamber device, that is easily
visible externally to the gun when transporting from vehicles or stage to stage. Anyone found in
violation of this rule will be immediately escorted by a Range Officer to a suitable range or
safety area where appropriate corrective action shall be made.

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4 minutes ago, ChuckS said:

Correct:

 

PCC 5.2.1.2 Competitors must use a chamber safety flag, or clear chamber device, that is easily
visible externally to the gun when transporting from vehicles or stage to stage. Anyone found in
violation of this rule will be immediately escorted by a Range Officer to a suitable range or
safety area where appropriate corrective action shall be made.

I really can’t believe Flatland didn’t know that! That is one of the first things mandated when PCC was shoved down our throats. Oops, I mean when PCC was introduced.

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2 hours ago, Sarge said:

I don't mind holding it for the shooter but I won't take part in removing or replacing a chamber flag. Seems that takes some of the onus off the shooter to make sure it is indeed clear. Also, if I didn't put it in correctly etc and it falls out later while he is carrying it I would have to DQ him for my mistake.

I am pretty sure Flatty was questioning this statement. ?

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I run many action long gun matches, including a major annual dedicated PCC match. I bought a 100-pack of large yellow zipties from Amazon for less than $10, and we throw a few in each stage box... if someone forgets or loses their flag, they are a quick, easy and inexpensive solution. For a dedicated flag, there are better options for only a few bucks.   

 

By the way, we find it is significantly faster, beep-to-beep, if the RO does take custody of the flag (removes and replaces it for the shooter) - this approach saves the time lost while the shooter does a pocket-patdown after the gun is cleared. The time saving is not a big deal at a USPSA handgun match due to the lower % of PCCs, but at an all-long gun match it can be the difference between running on schedule and not. 

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We offer free homemade ones for our local club three gun matches, they are required. Ours homebrew ones are weed eater string and a piece of duct tape.... Redneck as hell but allows dummies to still compete that don’t have store bought flags.

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yeah all the 2 & 3 gun matches i do, the shooters usually rack the bolt back on their long guns (rifle, shottie) so the RO can grab the flag, which the RO then replaces at the end of their runs.  i do the same in uspsa with pcc's.  was a little different at the last PRS match i did, most shooters wanted to hold onto their chamber flags.

 

imo it's faster for the RO to grab, retain and replace, and also less distraction for the shooter.

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30 minutes ago, ChuckS said:

I mean not having a flag is not a DQ since June 2016,

 

I thought it was a DQ as well.  Same as having it on a cart without a flag or bolt locked back.  Discussion has long been it’s better to use a flag than lock bolt because if bolt engaged forward would be a DQ.  Same as bagging without a flag or unbagging and no flag is present.  I’m with sarge, I thought no flag was DQ.  This is why I read here, learn and relearn constantly.  What’s the June 2016 change you refer to, out of curiosity.  

 

Use of keys, lol. 

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