wrx04 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 (edited) I’m new to USPSA.....just shot my first match two weeks ago and had a blast. I didn’t do too bad for my first one, but obviously have a lot of room for improvement. Ive been practicing dryfire, and feel like the initial grip on the pistol is crucial. I figure it may benefit me to look at the gun during the draw rather than target. I feel this lets me nail the grip immediately and it takes only a split second to snap my eyes back onto the target. Any opinions on this? I noticed a lot of experienced shooters keep their eye on target through the draw stroke, but I assume that’s because their muscle memory is on point. Thanks . Edited August 31, 2018 by wrx04 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraj Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 The gun will always be in the same spot, right where you left it. I don't think there is any advantage to looking down at it when its in the holster. If you want to look at it if you have to pick it up off a table that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I keep my eye on the target, and I'm only a low B shooter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perttime Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Learn to find the gun without looking. Learn it slow and speed up when you are consistent. Keep your eyes on where you need the gun to appear (if Written Stage Briefing allows). Obviously, with table or briefcase starts, etc. look at where the pistol is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodonpaper Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 90% of my dry fire drills incorporate a draw and reload. You will develop a natural index point where the sights align with your eyes. This can be developed/checked by drawing with your eyes closed and then opening them to check sight alignment. Keep practicing and it becomes natural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstone45 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 3 hours ago, Goodonpaper said: 90% of my dry fire drills incorporate a draw and reload. You will develop a natural index point where the sights align with your eyes. This can be developed/checked by drawing with your eyes closed and then opening them to check sight alignment. Keep practicing and it becomes natural. Never thought to do some draws with my eyes closed, great idea thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadyscott999 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 There are certain situations where it is best to look at the gun on the draw. Unorthodox start positions such as hands on a wall or some place that you don't normally practice. Normal hands at sides or even surrender, you will just know where the gun is eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perttime Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Blackstone45 said: Never thought to do some draws with my eyes closed, great idea thanks! Brian has it in his book. It is a development of Draw to an empty wall until you get the sights aligned without looking for them -> Draw to a target and the aligned sights appear on the target. -> draw with your eyes closed and verify that the sights are aligned -> draw with your eyes closed and verify that the aligned sights are on the target. ... or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limitedgun Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 It also helps to just practice getting your grip on the gun as soon as you hear the first note of the timer. No draw, no sight picture. Head erect, proper stance and balance, beep, grab the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrx04 Posted September 1, 2018 Author Share Posted September 1, 2018 Ok, the consensus is overwhelming....I just need to get more reps to know exactly where the gun is. I get a good grip 90% of the time, but I still have plenty where I miss. I do have the Stoeger and Anderson dryfire books, and I’ve read Brian’s “Fundamentals of Shooting”.....just gotta put some time in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stick Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 20 hours ago, Hi-Power Jack said: I keep my eye on the target, and I'm only a low B shooter. Is that another bash on the Facebook post? Anyway, The gun will be in the same spot every time. If you focus on the gun and not the target, after you draw you will need to acquire the target and align the sights which takes longer. Longer is slower in USPSA. Keep practicing your dry fire and your draw will become second nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 5 hours ago, stick said: Is that another bash on the Facebook post? No. Not aware of "the FB post" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stick Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, Hi-Power Jack said: No. Not aware of "the FB post" ? You'll get a kick out of this one. Read it from the beginning! https://www.facebook.com/groups/PISTOLCALIBERCARBINEUNIVERSE/permalink/1944057205650464/?comment_id=1944793052243546¬if_id=1535555449082602¬if_t=group_comment_reply Edited September 1, 2018 by stick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmeh Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 The way I draw is always looking at the first target, while bringing the sights up to your line of vision. When you bring the gun up, keep it pointed parallel to your line of vision, imagine a line coming out if your barrel, moving up til it meets your vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furrly Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 If, at the initial draw the 1st target is over 15 yds away I will look 6 feet in front of the target at the ground, this helps me pick up the sights quicker at longer distance targets, otherwise at the A zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 If it's a odd start position I'll look at the gun other wise I'm looking at the target or where I'm going to move too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novagunner Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 I like looking at the 1st target with it out of focus. I find that it helps with picking up the sights better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarBoom Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 When using binos you look at object and then raise them into your line of sight. Same thing with your sights If you’re not looking at the target you will have to search for it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hello0o0o0o Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Yeah don't look at gun, train the muscle memory of your draw. From there you can either look dead ahead not focused on anything or focused on your first action of the stage wherever you need to run to or whatever you need to shoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunmaster Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Video tape your draw and grip. Watch if your body is moving around. If you miss your grip,crush it harder. Listen to Steve Andersons podcast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dranoel Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 On 8/31/2018 at 7:32 AM, Goodonpaper said: 90% of my dry fire drills incorporate a draw and reload. You will develop a natural index point where the sights align with your eyes. This can be developed/checked by drawing with your eyes closed and then opening them to check sight alignment. Keep practicing and it becomes natural. This. And lots of it. Dry fire practice any and every time you get. Drill it til you can't stand doing anymore and then keep doing it. Eventually the pistol will come out of the holster with a perfect and consistent grip and will rise up as your left hand comes into contact and stop with the sights aligned the exact point your eyes are focused on. But understand it takes a LOT of practice to get there and good enough ain't good enough. Everything should be as automatic as walking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enzo357 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Just look at the target. Bring the sights to what you are seeing. Exception, if in an odd position, can not see a target, unsure about drawing from that angle.....that type of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beta1759 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) like all things in this sport, these actions look natural and effortless because people spend countless hours and thousands of reps practicing simple movements like reloading and draws at home. Try to spend 10 minutes a day on your draw. You will build the muscle memory and eventually will not even have to look at the pistol. Edited January 23, 2019 by beta1759 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvmojo Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 I had a GM advise me to let my thumb drag up the side of the gun as I started my draw. It insures that your hand is in the same position every time as you grab the gun. Seems to work fairly well for a "hands relaxed at sides" start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankdiesel Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 26 minutes ago, mvmojo said: I had a GM advise me to let my thumb drag up the side of the gun as I started my draw. It insures that your hand is in the same position every time as you grab the gun. Seems to work fairly well for a "hands relaxed at sides" start. I rest my forearm in the same position on the grip and kind of slide up that way...same idea, starting in the same position each and every time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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