Firefight5243 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 I have been through every video and adjustment on the Czechmate trigger anyone have video showing cgw or other trigger work? I have adjusted pre and over travel and still have creep and play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 You need to change the hammer to get rid of that creep, I like this one the best: https://shop.cz-usa.com/productdetail/40108_concealed-hammer-sa-only Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostDog Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 I have that one, it is still in my spare box. Is it drop-in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selecw Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 16 hours ago, kneelingatlas said: You need to change the hammer to get rid of that creep, I like this one the best: https://shop.cz-usa.com/productdetail/40108_concealed-hammer-sa-only Nice. Does it do anything for the length of the reset? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, selecw said: Nice. Does it do anything for the length of the reset? Angus schooled me on this point recently, the let off (rearward travel) is reduced by the shorter hooks, but the reset remains unchanged as the place where the sear rests when cocked is the same. Although you can reduce the reset with modification of the trigger bar and/or the sear. Edited August 25, 2018 by kneelingatlas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firefight5243 Posted August 25, 2018 Author Share Posted August 25, 2018 I have been messing with a few 2011s and the trigger comparison is night and day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CzViper Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 I have been messing with a few 2011s and the trigger comparison is night and day. Care to elaborate? Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firefight5243 Posted August 25, 2018 Author Share Posted August 25, 2018 39 minutes ago, CzViper said: Care to elaborate? Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk Break and reset because of the swing of the czechmate vs the back and forth of the 2011. One I messed with had a 14oz trigger and less then 1/8” total trigger movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CzViper Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 One I messed with had a 14oz trigger and less then 1/8” total trigger movement. Gotcha.Whoa, guess the ones I shot weren't great examples. I always thought my Czechmate was better than most 1911/2011 but nothing like that! Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firefight5243 Posted August 26, 2018 Author Share Posted August 26, 2018 3 hours ago, CzViper said: Gotcha. Whoa, guess the ones I shot weren't great examples. I always thought my Czechmate was better than most 1911/2011 but nothing like that! Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk Watching them shoot they can almost bump fire it. Not needing it that light but less movement would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CzViper Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 You might want to change to a short reach trigger. I installed two with great results. They might adjust some of the geometry to get rid of that play. Hard to find in states but get ahold of Milos at Armory Craft. He might have one. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 On 8/26/2018 at 1:16 AM, CzViper said: Gotcha. Whoa, guess the ones I shot weren't great examples. I always thought my Czechmate was better than most 1911/2011 but nothing like that! Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk On 8/26/2018 at 12:57 AM, Firefight5243 said: Break and reset because of the swing of the czechmate vs the back and forth of the 2011. One I messed with had a 14oz trigger and less then 1/8” total trigger movement. my tso has less than 17 oz trigger and 2.4 mm travel~0.1" 17x0.1" =1.7 ~ 14x1/8" almost the same. few days ago saw 2011 with 14oz trigger and 0.04"-1mm. travel that works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncie21 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 On 8/25/2018 at 9:57 PM, Firefight5243 said: Watching them shoot they can almost bump fire it. One of my squad mates had issues with his 2011 doubling because it was bump firing off the reset, fairly regularly. Got so bad that he pulled out his Glock G35 for several matches until he could get the 2011's reset adjusted to prevent this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 21 minutes ago, muncie21 said: One of my squad mates had issues with his 2011 doubling because it was bump firing off the reset, fairly regularly. Got so bad that he pulled out his Glock G35 for several matches until he could get the 2011's reset adjusted to prevent this. cz trigger system it's modern design . 1911 trigger sys. designed 120 y. ago to work with 4-5 lb trigger and not 1 lb.almost nothing changed in 1911. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CzViper Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Agreed, hammer follow on a CZ seems unlikely. All of those triggers are incredibly low! Guess I'll just have to shoot mine more to work in it! Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 On 8/24/2018 at 11:18 AM, GhostDog said: I have that one, it is still in my spare box. Is it drop-in? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostDog Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) Thanks KA, will put it in on next major cleaning. Did anyone try the aluminium straight trigger? I understand the Czechmate trigger is plastic on purpose, to reduce play on the pin due to its springy nature. I’m wondering if the difference is noticable. Edited September 11, 2018 by GhostDog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CzViper Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Al straight trigger is very nice imo. Seems to get rid of the "play" everyone is talking about.It moved the trigger position rearward which gave me better placement for my finger. The front surface was too slippery for my taste but put a small piece of skate tape on it and love the feel. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manolis Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Doe's anybody knows if the mineral spirits, WD-40 or gasoline effects the plastic trigger ? I clean my TSO with gasoline or mineral spirit and i am afraid that is possible to break. Thank you. Manolis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clw42 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 So, I tore down my Czechmate and happened to have a spare CGW Floating Trigger Pin for my S2 so I decided to use it on the CM. Well today, I went back to CGW to buy an S2 extended safety for my CM and I noticed that they have a specific Floating Trigger Pin for the TS/TSO (which I would assume is also for the CM). Does anyone know what the difference is between the two? I've had 'the wrong one' in for about 500+ rounds of live fire without issue. Should I change it out? I don't know if I still have the factory pin or not. I might have bagged it and put it with my spares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert.a.brewer. Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 So, I tore down my Czechmate and happened to have a spare CGW Floating Trigger Pin for my S2 so I decided to use it on the CM. Well today, I went back to CGW to buy an S2 extended safety for my CM and I noticed that they have a specific Floating Trigger Pin for the TS/TSO (which I would assume is also for the CM).Does anyone know what the difference is between the two? I struggled with the floating pin design for my TSO. I didn't see the advantage. Now, If I remember correctly... I think the floating pin works best when the pin goes through the frame, then the trigger and spring, then the trigger bar, then the other side of trigger, then onto the frame. For my TSO, the floating pin just goes through the frame, into the trigger bar, and then out to the frame. The trigger itself is mounted to the trigger bar with its own pin and spring. I didn't need the slave pin for the TSO application since the floating pin didn't go through the spring. I haven't taken the pin back out since it neither increased nor decreased my trigger pull #, but I'm still wondering why I bought it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clw42 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) 21 hours ago, robert.a.brewer. said: I struggled with the floating pin design for my TSO. I didn't see the advantage. Now, If I remember correctly... I think the floating pin works best when the pin goes through the frame, then the trigger and spring, then the trigger bar, then the other side of trigger, then onto the frame. For my TSO, the floating pin just goes through the frame, into the trigger bar, and then out to the frame. The trigger itself is mounted to the trigger bar with its own pin and spring. I didn't need the slave pin for the TSO application since the floating pin didn't go through the spring. I haven't taken the pin back out since it neither increased nor decreased my trigger pull #, but I'm still wondering why I bought it. Thanks. Honestly, the only reason I did it was to make it easier to remove the trigger assembly when I want to do a thorough cleaning (usually twice/year). I always end up beating the crap out of the roll pins. And I can do you one better, in my haste to get the new safety, I also threw the TSO specific trigger pin into my cart and bought it...only to find out it's the exact same pin that I'm already using. So $20 wasted. Edited February 12, 2019 by clw42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George16 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Yup. The Shadow 2, TS, TSO and CM uses the same floating trigger pin. I made the same mistake of buying a TSO specific trigger pin when I already had a spare for my Shadow 2. Oh well, it doesn’t hurt to have an extra in case I break one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert.a.brewer. Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Has anyone who replaced their oem TSO/CM trigger with a flat trigger, found their trigger pull lightened considerably? I've seen in a separate thread, a reported 30% reduction in trigger pull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncie21 Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 I have both the factory plastic and aftermarket aluminum one, no noticeable difference in pull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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