Tactical Solution 2211

[Tantal]

Hoping to lean on the groups experience here. I have a Tactical Solutions 2211 conversion on the way, after doing a little more research I'm starting to doubt my decision on going with the tacsol setup vs the Marvel Precision Unit 1. How do the two stack up in action pistol competitions? I understand the accuracy is not as good with the tacsol, but i'm more concerned in how reliable the setup runs. 

[pjb45]

I believe BJ Norris won with a TS.  Accuracy is outstanding on the TS.

 

I had the original Marvel.  The guide rod tighten the slide to the frame.  Every time I cleaned the gun I had to sight it in again.  I was not happy with the overall performance of the upper. I SOLD it.  

 

I have a TS upper that works for  my SS and Limited gun.  It is very reliable.  The only issue I ever had was with ammo.  It did not like Remington.  It ran with subsonic ammo.  Generally I use CCI Mini mags @~1250 fps.  The mags are excellent and costly but worth the price.  

 

I brought a TS for my friend's Glock.

 

I brought the TS AR upper also.  I had an issue and Colt at TS called me within 4 hours.  They resolved the issue at no expense to me other than initial shipping.  I should add the gun was running like a clock for almost 6 years before I had a problem.  

[Larry White]

The TS is hands down the winner over the marvel. I have both and the TS never fails, the marvel has never run a hundred rds without some kind of screw up. TS is much more accurate, has better mags and is steel. I don't know anyone Im mad enough at to sell them the marvel.----------Larry

[pjb45]

+1

 

[Tantal]

Thank you all for the input. 

 

I will be putting this together as a dedicated .22 build. Is there anything I can do to set myself up for success? I've read elsewhere to run a 21# main spring aside from that not much more.

 

Does anyone have experience with other wide body mags? Trying to find an inexpensive option to the billet mags they offer. 

Edited August 22, 2018 by Tantal

[schaet]

I run a TS 2211 conversion on a dedicate 2011. I use the Advantage Arms mags. They are around $45/ea and are plastic as opposed to the TacSol metal ones which are $110/ea. 

 

To be honest I had a bunch of fiddling to do to get it to run consistently and dependable, but once I did it runs awesome. Here's a run down of what I went through:  (Keep in mind I did buy mine used and that may have come into play)

  

* For the AA mags I had to trim the springs. The round was popping up and jamming against the breach and the top of the ramp.

http://www.advantagearms.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=AASOS&Product_Code=STIMag&Category_Code=1911Mag

* I needed to use a 19# main spring - to prevent light strikes (a heavier one may be OK too but I like the trigger where it's at and its reliable)

* The only ammo that will feed through it is CCI AR Tactical and CCI Mini-Mags (It seems that the barrel/ramp likes the contour of the bullet itself being stepped in compared to other ammo      .. plus they don't have a bunch of wax on them)

* Keep it clean! It likes to be clean!! 

 

I shoot Steel Challenge with mine and it's working out great for me. 

 

[Larry White]

Both of the guns I use these on are switch outs, both have really good triggers with 19lb springs. Grit your teeth and pay for the ts mags. All the others I have tried didn't deliver. You get what you pay for here. Mine dosent seem too picky about ammo as long as its hi velocity and clean. If the gun is clean it will run standard velocity but it will always run hi velocity stuff, the exception here is Federal Auto Match and it seems to be a little hotter that most standard velocity.------------Larry

 

Edited August 22, 2018 by Larry White
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[zzt]

I have a Marvel Unit One and I paid extra for the .400"~.499" accuracy at 50 yard guarantee.  It runs like a top.  I use it mainly for bullseye, but I have run it in Steel Challenge.  I clean it routinely and I have never had to rezero.  If anyone claims that is necessary, they were not reinstalling it correctly.  The Unit One is designed to run on 45 ACP pistols.  It will not work on 9mm/40 pistols because of the ejector.  The Tacsol will.

 

The people I know with Tacsols on 2011s have problems with them.  The problems are almost all mag related, especially with polymer grips.  Accuracy is not stunning, but more than needed for Steel Challenge (1" @ 25 yards).  Tacsol does sell poly mags for the unit.  They are quite inexpensive.  If you can't find them at Tacsol or Jagemann, you can buy them from Brownell's.  https://www.brownells.com/magazines/handgun-magazines/magazines/2211-22lr-10rd-magazine-prod104069.aspx?avs|Make_3=1911&avs|Cartridge_1=AFF_22%2bLong%2bRifle  Like any poly mag, you may have to modify the top and radius to get it to seat in your frame.  It is simple to do.  

 

 

[MJPLEO]

I purchased a TacSol upper and some mags here from another member not even a year ago.  It has run 100% since the day I put it on my SS frame.  Admittedly, the TacSol mags are very expensive but they run like a sewing machine.  I’ve tried several different types of ammo.  I really like the Federal AutoMatch 40gr and the Aguila Supermax 30gr.  I’ve stocked up on both and both are more than accurate enough for my local fun steel games.  

 

Edited August 22, 2018 by MJPLEO

[Will Abrahams]

I don't have any experience with the Marvel conversion, but I do have a TS conversion which I run on a dedicated 2011 frame for cheap practice.  I will echo what most have said about the TS.  I have been very happy with the purchase, plenty accurate.  For some reason mine doesn't run CCI mini mags well but loves bulk pack ammo.  I also went with the heavy mags to better mimic reloading with my Limited gun setup.  

[Tantal]

I got my 2211 roughly together on a dedicated frame. 

 

 

I picked up two advantage arms mags but 90% of the time the round is fed into the top of the barrel. I'll try trimming the spring down a bit to see if that helps. So far I would not recommend these advantage mags, ordered some tacsol mags to try out.

 

[pcschwenke]

I do not have experience on the TS, but my Marvel version1 runs like a top with CCI standard ammo.   It’s extremely accurate with a test target of .8 & 50 yards.  I think the key to any tip end is to figure out what ammo the guns like.  Have fun, they are a blast !

Edited August 28, 2018 by pcschwenke

[schaet]

1 hour ago, Tantal said:

I got my 2211 roughly together on a dedicated frame. 

 

 

I picked up two advantage arms mags but 90% of the time the round is fed into the top of the barrel. I'll try trimming the spring down a bit to see if that helps. So far I would not recommend these advantage mags, ordered some tacsol mags to try out.

 

 

Same thing was happening with mine. The way I solved it for the AA mags as cut the spring and turn down the plug at the bottom of the spring. I started by turning the plug down, then went to just cutting the spring. So in total I took about 2 1/4" total off of the spring tension. Just cutting the spring should yield the same results. 

 

[Tantal]

Shot a steel challenge match yesterday. Was able to get some rounds through my 2211 build afterwards.

 

Tacsol magazine is still in route, but fiddled a bit more with the Advantage Arms polymer mag. 

 

I took schaet's advice and cut the spring 1/2" at a time checking with dummy rounds. With a total overall length of 4.5" I got acceptable results on the bench to warrant a test fire. Anything below that and there is not enough tension behind the last round. 2 1/4" is too much and left play between the last round and follower. 

 

The feed lips on the LH side also have to be trimmed 1/16" to clear the extractor. 

 

After about ~50rnds or so it started to feed more reliably but not 100% still. I did have some strings with no issues throughout the whole 10rnds. Maybe with some work on the feed ramp it will help. 

[fosters3]

On 9/2/2018 at 12:29 PM, Tantal said:

Shot a steel challenge match yesterday. Was able to get some rounds through my 2211 build afterwards.

 

Tacsol magazine is still in route, but fiddled a bit more with the Advantage Arms polymer mag. 

 

I took schaet's advice and cut the spring 1/2" at a time checking with dummy rounds. With a total overall length of 4.5" I got acceptable results on the bench to warrant a test fire. Anything below that and there is not enough tension behind the last round. 2 1/4" is too much and left play between the last round and follower. 

 

The feed lips on the LH side also have to be trimmed 1/16" to clear the extractor. 

 

After about ~50rnds or so it started to feed more reliably but not 100% still. I did have some strings with no issues throughout the whole 10rnds. Maybe with some work on the feed ramp it will help. 

With mine I cut 2 coils off the recoil spring , reamed the chamber, and with the TacSol Mags I cut off the strut that prevents more than 10rds to go in.  Prior to this every 2nd round would jam.  Note - mine is a Single stack.  I feed it a steady diet of ELEY Force and not a single hiccup in 20k rounds.

 

I hope this helps

 

Steve

[fosters3]

Just now, fosters3 said:

With mine I cut 2 coils off the recoil spring , reamed the chamber, and with the TacSol Mags I cut off the strut that prevents more than 10rds to go in.  Prior to this every 2nd round would jam.  Note - mine is a Single stack.  I feed it a steady diet of ELEY Force and not a single hiccup in 20k rounds.

 

I hope this helps

 

Steve

 

One other note - it would not run Aguila through it.  It seemed as though the charge of the powder was inconsistent.  It could be the excess wax on the tip of the bullets..

[Tantal]

Well I got a Tacsol mag to test out. Took a good bit of fitting but it goes in smooth and drops out. I had to take a good bit of material off the slide stop but it functions as it should. 

 

Ran through 400rnds at the range today to get her sighted in. I had a a handful of failure to feeds with the Aguila, but the CCI mini mags (1235fps) felt the best and ran flawless.

 

Best group of 10 @ 25 yards attached. 

 

Now I just need more mags, and to figure out the finish...

Edited September 10, 2018 by Tantal

[Lex307]

Hello,

 

ik looking for help. Im from europe and run the 2211 conversion on my STI. I need a new recoil spring but the maintenance kit is not available outside the USA. Do you have any suggestions for an alternative recoil spring?

 

tnxs!!

[zzt]

2 hours ago, Lex307 said:

Hello,

 

ik looking for help. Im from europe and run the 2211 conversion on my STI. I need a new recoil spring but the maintenance kit is not available outside the USA. Do you have any suggestions for an alternative recoil spring?

 

tnxs!!

 

The Tacsol springs looks just like all the other recoil springs for conversions.  Maybe some of your buddies are running other conversions and you can check out their springs.

 

CW Accessories sells 7 and 8 lb springs.  https://www.cwaccessories.com/

 

Marvel Precision sells 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 lb springs.  https://www.marvelprecision.com/compensators  second picture down.

 

Nelson Custom sells 9 lb springs.  https://www.nelsoncustomguns.com/store/index.php?l=product_detail&p=15

 

Good luck.

[Lex307]

Thanks mate!!

[tomv]

Nelson actually sells three springs which are color coded. 8, 9 and 10# I have two of the Nelson conversions with more than 5,000 rounds through them. They run 100%. I had some feeding issues on one of them when it was new which I couldn't figure out. I sent the complete gun back to Larry and he found that the thumb safety was rubbing a little on the slide. He fixe4d this and the gun has been perfect ever since. Can't comment on Tacsol because I've never had one.

[MuayThaiJJ]

Did anyone find out if the GSG mags work with the Tactical Solutions or Advantage Arms uppers? thanks

[Tantal]

Well my 2211 is still here and my favorite .22LR so far. I want to get more mags before I can't. Anyone know where to find more tacsol mags?

[MuayThaiJJ]

for 1911 or 2011 frame?

[Tantal]

On 2/24/2022 at 9:40 PM, MuayThaiJJ said:

for 1911 or 2011 frame?

2011 frame

 

If anyone has a kit they want to get rid of I'll gladly purchase to get some spare stashed away.