blueoval16 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 I was asked to put together the best PCC I could come up with under $1500. Let me know what you guys think. I wanted to make is super light and also be able to use 9mm pistol loads. Taccom's 5 in barrel and 11" extension with brake were the perfect combo. I timed the extension and brake, pinned and welded in and polished it up so it would look nice through the port opening in the handguard. Link to comment
blueoval16 Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 (edited) I added a Taccom extreme bolt and adjustable buffer system, Opened up and polished the magwell, dropped in a nice trigger and finished off with a C-more. Edited August 13, 2018 by blueoval16 Link to comment
blueoval16 Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 (edited) The whole rifle weighs just under 6lbs with the bulk or the weight to rear (closest to the core body). With a mild 147gr load is shoots super flat with minimal recoil. Its the lightest recoiling PCC I've felt and I've build and shot more that a few. Last round bolt hold works as well. Edited August 13, 2018 by blueoval16 Link to comment
blueoval16 Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 Size comparison next to my personal Scorpion PCC gun Link to comment
Flatland Shooter Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Excellent job opening up the mag well. Link to comment
MemphisMechanic Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Beautifully done. I’d love to shoot something with a comp or popple holes that close to the chamber; that’s the only thing I would change if modifying my current gun’s setup... which is a similar hodgepodge of high end parts. Link to comment
MikieM Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 That is a beautiful gun. Very nice attention to detail. I built a similar set-up, but with a 10 inch barrel. It worked fine. The dot was a bit jumpy because of the increase in powder that is required to make PF in the shorter barrels, but nothing I couldn't live with. Again. Well done. Link to comment
MemphisMechanic Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, MikieM said: The dot was a bit jumpy because of the increase in powder that is required to make PF in the shorter barrels, but nothing I couldn't live with. Interesting. What PF do you load to? I never softened my loads for my PCC, so they go 133 through a 5” Walther or 140-143ish though a 14” PCC. I tuned the top ports in my comp to run on the amount of gas my Production 125gr ammo produces, so lighter loads mean more dot bounce for me. Was your gun ported or comped at 5” like this one is... or was it the conventional ULW taccom setup? Edited August 13, 2018 by MemphisMechanic Link to comment
stick Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 excellent job on the magwell. What buffer and spring are you running? Link to comment
MikieM Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 1 hour ago, MemphisMechanic said: Interesting. What PF do you load to? I never softened my loads for my PCC, so they go 133 through a 5” Walther or 140-143ish though a 14” PCC. I tuned the top ports in my comp to run on the amount of gas my Production 125gr ammo produces, so lighter loads mean more dot bounce for me. Was your gun ported or comped at 5” like this one is... or was it the conventional ULW taccom setup? I load to get 130 (give or take), but all my barrels are 16 inches and that requires the least amount of powder to make it. The gun had the port at 10 inches. I used a Taccom 6 and 1/2 inch ported extension. By-the-way. I had forgotten that you were using a CMMG carbine. It would naturally have a softer recoil impulse than a true blow-back (like mine) because of the delay afforded by the bolt. Therefore I offer half an apology. Link to comment
TonytheTiger Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 I'd like to hear more about the short barrel/mid brake combo. I've been eyeballing one for a while and the concept makes sense but theres not many (any?) end user reviews out there. Link to comment
MemphisMechanic Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 1 hour ago, MikieM said: I load to get 130 (give or take), but all my barrels are 16 inches and that requires the least amount of powder to make it. The gun had the port at 10 inches. I used a Taccom 6 and 1/2 inch ported extension. Thanks. Helpful info! 1 hour ago, MikieM said: By-the-way. I had forgotten that you were using a CMMG carbine. It would naturally have a softer recoil impulse than a true blow-back (like mine) because of the delay afforded by the bolt. Therefore I offer half an apology. Yes, that’s why I was saying our guns logically should prefer very different things. My locals running hydro buffers and the same spring as I have similar bolt travel and much more felt recoil. For reference, if all 3 are bone stock, the Guard is halfway between the conventional AR9 and an MPX. An odd mix. Now let’s give this man with the sexy new gun his thread back. Link to comment
blueoval16 Posted August 14, 2018 Author Share Posted August 14, 2018 Thanks for the praise guys! The customer was very happy as well. He's been doing very very well with it and is running it at state coming up. The buffer and spring is Taccom's ("PCC Adjustable Recoil System") Link to comment
blueoval16 Posted August 14, 2018 Author Share Posted August 14, 2018 The Stock is a Strike Industries viper fixed modular stock. I chose that stock cause it has a bit of weight to it to balance out the gun. It runs a piece of steel down the center to interlock with with a carbine buffer tube. It worked out perfect. On the next build ill be using a full carbon stock on an A2 tube. Link to comment
sixsixnine Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 That barrel setup is crazy. Link to comment
Fo0 Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 I wonder how much that 11" extension weighs compared to a 14" barrel Link to comment
perttime Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Never put your hand on the gas port, yet? How does the barrel shroud feel? Rigid enough? Not too slippery? Link to comment
blueoval16 Posted August 14, 2018 Author Share Posted August 14, 2018 Quote I wonder how much that 11" extension weighs compared to a 14" barrel I don't have any data to back it up or anything laying around to compare it to but the feel in the hands is noticeable. Swinging from target to target without over-travel is effortless, Kinda like an SBR but having a full size handguard to drive it. Quote Never put your hand on the gas port, yet? If your an experienced shooter with consistent grip the port is far enough back that it doesn't pose enough of a danger for it not to be there. It really does a good job of keeping things flat. Transitions and weak hand shooting its never posed a problem either. With that being said, I wouldn't hand it off to a new shooter without telling them about the finger tip removal device this PCC has! I've been told its been affectionately named the the cho cho train by other shooters, the way the gas ports out the top....And no its doesn't interfere with the optic. Quote How does the barrel shroud feel? Rigid enough? Not too slippery? The shroud is super light but very rigid. You can run without the CF hand guard but the tube is only 1" in diameter and feels pretty weird to grab onto. Taccom sells a foam grip for the shroud to run it like that but the CF tube feels much better. Link to comment
1911luvr Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 I see one potential issue down the road due to the Taccom barrel nut. If you ever remove it for any reason, the single hole for the handguard screw will no longer line up properly to time the hole in the handguard with the barrel port. If Taccom would take the extra time to put holes all the way around the nut like other handguard makers, this wouldn’t be an issue. Sure, you can drill and tap your own holes later, but why should you have to?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment
blueoval16 Posted August 14, 2018 Author Share Posted August 14, 2018 Quote I see one potential issue down the road due to the Taccom barrel nut. If you ever remove it for any reason, the single hole for the handguard screw will no longer line up properly to time the hole in the handguard with the barrel port. If Taccom would take the extra time to put holes all the way around the nut like other handguard makers, this wouldn’t be an issue. Sure, you can drill and tap your own holes later, but why should you have to? Good point and observation. I'm not too wild about the design of the barrel nut/ handguard interface myself but I see why it is the way it is. A side issue was when I originally torqued the barrel nut to spec the screw was in the 10 O'clock position, Kinda bugged me. This gave me a good reason to lap the face of the receiver to square the barrel up, It also luckily bought me a couple degrees on the threads to end up top dead center for the screw. I would have liked it to be at the 6 O'clock position but didn't want to use any barrel nut shims. Its was only after I got the handguard on and port cut that I realized what you pointed out. Not a huge deal but a new hole in the CF would need to be drilled If things didn't torque back to the same position after removal (which they rarely do). Link to comment
SJMPCC022 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 (edited) On 8/13/2018 at 4:02 PM, blueoval16 said: I added a Taccom extreme bolt and adjustable buffer system, Opened up and polished the magwell, dropped in a nice trigger and finished off with a C-more I wanted to thank you for a great idea! I saw the pic of the beautiful gun you built and it got me to thinking, I have the same lower on my gun as you used and it forced me to look closely at the magwell. I knew it was decently flared but I never noticed the step between the flaring and the outside of the magwell ! Time to go to work on that, which I did today. Again, thank you for the pioneer effort!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Edited August 15, 2018 by SJMPCC022 fix pictures Link to comment
jkrispies Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 31 minutes ago, SJMPCC022 said: I like that. A lot. Link to comment
Flatland Shooter Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 2 hours ago, SJMPCC022 said: Time to go to work on that, which I did today. Some more nice work. If I may ask, what tools were used to open up the magwell? Link to comment
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